Compared to here. I have lived in 60 year old apartments that are as solid as a rock and most of the time you wouldn't even know you had neighbours. The tradesmen took pride in ther work and the original ornate yet solid finishes were still in place.
Yes Ben, so have I You can still have this if you want But its gonna cost ya And you lot aint prepared to pay for it are ya.
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I would assume the other difference between these shoddy apartments and the shoddy apartment in your pictures is the asking price - half a million dollars. For half a million dollars I expect good solid tradesmanship that lasts for many many years - not a few months.
It really does show how clueless some people are You call them shoddy Mathew calls them third world shit
But I tell you this Those so called shoddy third world shit apartments are actually steel and solid concrete. lots of it and very solid Internally walls are a foot thick I watched the build on the second tower during my stay What you saw were surface cracks and skim coats peeling due to poor prep and application, all cosmetic. But structurally, they are very strong and acoustically very quiet (apart from the ventilation shafts connecting all wet kitchen areas)
Just like these ones done 40 years earlier in a less affluent area They look like shit, but the bones are still very sound
Over there, the apartments are sold as an empty concrete box It is up to the owner to get the internals done So you could get an expensive team in to do the finish (if you wanted to pay for quality) or a cheap team Obviously the apartment I was looking at had the cheap team and it was reflected in the price.
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Li Ka-shing in HK makes some luxury apartments, but he also makes some apartments aimed at the middle class - and the latter are of high quality as well (though obviously not as luxurious).
As a general principle I am all for greater transparency - I'd be interested to know just how much extra it costs to make a good quality (not necessarily luxurious) apartment versus the average.
If consumers were presented with a choice and objective information as to the quality of the apartment sold I think you will find that many people would be willing to pay more for quality.
You blame the consumer. I say it's hard for consumers to make objective decisions in the face of markets that have assymetric information - the builders and sellers of apartments know much more about their quality of the apartment in question than buyers do.
actually, for what its worth, I was referring to the time when you were trying to compare us to situations in Vietnam...
and you seem to have contradicted your original argument with those apartments, weren't you originally saying they were shit!? that seemed to me what you were trying to portray...
assuming this article reflects a good sample... which I would doubt... cirtainly I'm not like that, and there is alot of the self indulgence crap in there, but what I noticed was... the author seemed SHOCKED that these people were happy renting, when they could BUY!?!?
surely ANYONE who can afford to buy would!? what else do you do with money in this country!! or hell! even when you don't have money! you don't let that stop you! negative gearing and all!
and you seem to have contradicted your original argument with those apartments, weren't you originally saying they were shit!? that seemed to me what you were trying to portray...
No where did I say they were shit I said the standard of finish can be poor if you arent prepared to pay the price for a good finish
You arent prepared to pay the price for a good finish You just expect the finish to be good, for whatever price you pay.
No shit sherlock, thats why they are renting inner city But things change, they always do I rented inner city, a lot closer in than Toowong as well, as did my mates that worked in the city at the time But when I worked in the burbs and they did as well, guess where we moved to?
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"We're young and really content renting so close to the city," Ms Berkelm said.
Mr Boult said: "We're renting close to work and close to public transport. I'm sure we would spend more commuting to work from Acacia Ridge.
Yes you would all of 12 minutes extra on the train Twats Think of all the time you could spend on facebook while on the train or you could be one of those wankers that answer the phone and talk really loud and say "I'm on the train"
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No where did I say they were shit I said the standard of finish can be poor if you arent prepared to pay the price for a good finish
You arent prepared to pay the price for a good finish You just expect the finish to be good, for whatever price you pay.
Stupid article The title is
No shit sherlock, thats why they are renting inner city But things change, they always do I rented inner city, a lot closer in than Toowong as well, as did my mates that worked in the city at the time But when I worked in the burbs and they did as well, guess where we moved to?
Yes you would all of 12 minutes extra on the train Twats Think of all the time you could spend on facebook while on the train or you could be one of those wankers that answer the phone and talk really loud and say "I'm on the train"
Catweasel laugh and say listen to a Uncle Frankie. From a toiling in a field to city dweller to king of a castle (no the pun intended), Uncle Frankie need to be heard and it need to be a NOW. No-nonsense, no flies, rough and a ready.... it's a Frankie Castle--a battler's battler.
The Gen Y Q&A last night was excellent. I have a lot a faith in this generation to fix the problems as they see them. Sad they will not have the voting block necessary for their voices to be heard until the boomers pass on.
I also note that 'SKIN' was mentioned and those of the panel that answered encouraged them to spend as they like. I wonder if they would feel the same knowing that they must work hard to pay more tax for those SKIN bots that have planned poorly and then will rely on the state?
The Gen Y Q&A last night was excellent. I have a lot a faith in this generation to fix the problems as they see them. Sad they will not have the voting block necessary for their voices to be heard until the boomers pass on.
I also note that 'SKIN' was mentioned and those of the panel that answered encouraged them to spend as they like. I wonder if they would feel the same knowing that they must work hard to pay more tax for those SKIN bots that have planned poorly and then will rely on the state?
"I really feel that Gen Y (mid to late Gen Y) is the biggest disgrace our society has seen. They're lacking in intelligence & morals, have little to no ability to effectively self-manage themselves (and not just in work, but in a variety of situations). They are politically docile, linguistically inept, historically starved, and as selfish as can be, existing in an small bubble with very thick walls. Sure - they're technologically savvy. Woop-dee-fucking doo. That's not enough to be intelligent or an effective contribution to society.
Their culture is even more pathetic - countless brand advertisements convey a revolution. What fucking revolution? What are they rebelling against? Generation X, and most importantly, generations before Generation X did the all the work. Take our favourite bimbos Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie - the pinnacle of face-slapping to the defiant and strong women who burned their bras in 1968, these two stupid Gen Y idiots have successfully helped to bring women's stature in the 21st century back to that of the 1950's by promoting the demure, weak woman.
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The `now' generation or Generation Y as it's more popularly known, have indicated they are willing to give up brands and luxuries in order to own their first home, a new report has found.
The HASI report conducted by McCrindle Research for realestate.com.au, found over 90 per cent indicated that owning a home was a higher priority than buying the latest gadgets or fashion accessories.
It also revealed property seekers were feeling pessimistic about housing affordability and were struggling with the rising cost of living - household budgets showing the most strain in the expenses category.
Interestingly, 50 per cent of Generation X, 52 per cent of Baby Boomers and 56 per cent of seniors see the property market as less affordable with an average national HASI of 85 (15 basis points below the neutral benchmark of 100(1)).
The inaugural realestate.com.au HASI(1) report (to become an annual index) tracks the sentiment of Australians concerning housing affordability, mortgage repayments, income and expenses and investigates what many are willing to sacrifice in order to enter the property market.
Social Analyst David Chalke said despite the findings of the HASI going against the grain of what many perceive to be a flighty, non-committal and carefree generation, the revelation that Generation Y are the most optimistic when it comes to housing affordability is less than surprising given the shift towards children and grandparents living at home longer in order to cut back on costs.
``Despite the economic ups and downs of recent years, there is no sign whatsoever that the dream of home ownership is weakening,'' Mr Chalke said.
``Although it may come as something of a surprise, it is the young Gen Ys that are the least pessimistic about housing affordability while the seniors are the most unsure. This can be attributed to a number of factors.
``Firstly, Gen Y is imbued with youthful ambition, determination and optimism. As the best educated generation ever, they see no reason why they should not achieve their goal of home ownership, eventually. Secondly, they are the generation that stayed in the parental home longer than any other. Among other benefits, this affords them the opportunity to accumulate savings for a future home purchase.
``Lastly, contrary to the popular perceptions of Gen Ys as uncommitted and self-indulgent they are, in fact, remarkably focused on their future, are financially literate and well adapted to the vagaries of the 21st Century,'' he added.
Mr Chalke said another side of the coin was the shift in living arrangements which sees a return of the multi-generational household.
``Half of all Baby Boomers (49 per cent) and 69 per cent of Generation X have children(1) and or other family members, such as parents, living back at home. It’s here that uncertainty about future cost of living increases is hitting hardest and prompting growing financial conservatism.
``As a result, a new wave of frugalism is sweeping the nation with many aspiring home owners realistic about sacrificing the luxuries in life such as retail therapy, holidays and cars to ensure their debt is on track to get their foot on the property ladder.''
The HASI report also highlighted that Australians are prepared to spend less on discretionary purchases like brands and luxuries (91 per cent), entertainment and recreation (76 per cent) and the upgrade of their car (76 per cent) in order to purchase a home.
According to experts, what was most interesting was that things formerly perceived as upper class luxuries such as private school education and health care, were now classified as necessities by the average Australian household, with more than three quarters of the population indicating that they were unwilling to forgo these necessities in order to buy their dream home.
More than half of those surveyed were also unwilling to live further than 10 kilometres from their dream location.
Not surprisingly, 82 per cent of those surveyed said they were willing to sacrifice a swimming pool, extra space or multiple bathrooms to get onto the property ladder.
Of course it is I have seen many high quality builds in Australia But expect to pay for it
The problem with Mathew and his ilk is he expects high quality,(probably because mummy and daddy have high quality after working a lifetime for it and thats what he is used to) but isn't prepared to pay the price for it.
The Asian apartments I posted before were in the lower end of expat living If I was prepared to pay 2, 3 or 4 times that amount I would have had something truly remarkable.
same in Australia
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Like I said, for a price
But paying 2, 3, or 4 times a base amount isn't actually needed, if there are decent building codes in place covering noise intrusion and environmental efficiency. Look at (and listen in) modestly priced apartments in the US, Canada, and most of Europe (though not Spain), and the difference to the Australian norm will be obvious. Yet the overseas examples will in general be less expensive than here.
Building noise suppression and environmental efficiency into an apartment design from the outset is cost-efficient. (For one thing, extra insulation is cheap and tends to serve both purposes well.) Expecting individual buyers to retrofit individual units after the build just isn't. And expecting the average apartment buyer to know in detail which--if any--builders unilaterally design and execute to usefully better-than-code levels in these areas is simply unrealistic. One shouldn't need to be an architect or developer in order to be reasonably certain that a newly built apartment is quiet and energy-efficient.
Industry-supported standards (e.g. Green Star ratings) are starting to make inroads in the commercial space, but there has been little progress for residential buildings. As of mid-May, the Green Building Council of Australia described the residential side as being at "the first step on a long, long road".
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