Right So once again, you fail to say where the supposed better builds are (compared to here) Here is shit because Mathew says so
Well guess what Mathew, as I have suggested to you before, if you are not happy with the quality of build, get off your arse employ your own team and ensure the project is done to your standards, not the Australian Building Standards and stop relying on others to provide for you
And FFS don't come back here bleating that it ended up costing you more than what property is currently on sale for.
You're out of line. You're talking a positive concept (self responsibility) and abusing it as an excuse to try to tell mathew off.
It is reasonable for people to expect the market to provide good quality apartments, as it has in many other countries. For instance, in HK I have seen quality high rise apartments (usually built by the Li Kashing bunch).
My name is based on a Seinfeld character, not on a belief of a housing bubble.
You're out of line. You're talking a positive concept (self responsibility) and abusing it as an excuse to try to tell mathew off.
It is reasonable for people to expect the market to provide good quality apartments, as it has in many other countries. For instance, in HK I have seen quality high rise apartments (usually built by the Li Kashing bunch).
What is needed is competition.
If 2 unit blocks are needed and govt gives permission to 10 landowners to build then according to theory the best 2 of 10 will be able to sell their units
but if 2 blocks are needed and govt only gives permission for 1 to be built then the biggest bribing developer will win and can sell the lowest quality at the highest price.
You're talking a positive concept (self responsibility) and abusing it as an excuse to try to tell mathew off.
Correct He complains a lot and expects people to jump and do everything for them This is a piss poor trait that I have seen repeatedly amongst the young of today
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It is reasonable for people to expect the market to provide good quality apartments, as it has in many other countries. .
Of course it is I have seen many high quality builds in Australia But expect to pay for it
The problem with Mathew and his ilk is he expects high quality,(probably because mummy and daddy have high quality after working a lifetime for it and thats what he is used to) but isn't prepared to pay the price for it.
The Asian apartments I posted before were in the lower end of expat living If I was prepared to pay 2, 3 or 4 times that amount I would have had something truly remarkable.
same in Australia
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For instance, in HK I have seen quality high rise apartments (usually built by the Li Kashing bunch)
Like I said, for a price
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Li Ka-shing project courts super-rich mainlanders First time a HK developer is targeting China tycoons
Li Ka-shing is hoping millionaire capitalists in communist China will snap up his fancy Kowloon waterfront apartments for HK$20 million (S$4.6 million) apiece. Built by Cheung Kong Holdings, the HarbourFront Landmark in Hung Hom offers luxury apartments of 2,000 sq ft each, which is huge by Hong Kong standards.
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You're out of line. You're talking a positive concept (self responsibility) and abusing it as an excuse to try to tell mathew off.
Catweasel say idea of personal the accountability already a hijack by a tea party type with the overhang belly, elastic drawstring pants, and picket sign with the terrible design and a reactionary communication. Usually the one who do a claim very loud about a person accountability usually on the soapbox for its own a self interest and happy to let another take care of its interest by a masters interference.
Even though the Frankie is a favorite zealot, it usually only for a entertainment purpose. Afraid to do a say, but good chance a Frankie your typical NIMBY from a mortgage belt. Quite the likely not the most consistent human the being it is likely to do a meet.
look, you have shown yourself that apartments can be shit while still being better than other accommodation...
those pictures you posted originally, that place would still be nicer to live in than some slum made out of tin sheets and cardboard. yet they are still unacceptable.
it is one thing to build cheap buildings, simple cut and paste design with cheaper materials, but it is quite another thing to do a shit job at building theoretically nice apartments, and then justifying it with a cheap price.
now sure, you could say that maybe the cheaper apartments just come with more basic sound proofing - I know that the highest quality of sound proofing would be very expensive and unnecessary for most.
but from the sounds of it, the sound proofing BubbleBoy experienced was just unacceptable. I know for a fact at least in the UK they have official standards for the minimum level of sound proofing that is required for units. (and it looked quite good) so clearly their government agrees that there is a minimum acceptable standard whatever the price...
and for what its worth, the home I grew up in was built in the 60s or 70s, it was a high set single story that was then walled in underneath to create a makeshift second story. hardly a mansion. but atleast we didn't have to worry about noise...
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Mathew You were the one who had a hissy fit earlier, not I
calm down yourself.
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You would be wrong then I have been pushing council for a while on my property for a while as a knock down /unit site
Catweasel say yes, but it still have the kind of a hillbilly and the picket sign behavior like the overweight reactionary Tea Party one. Would it do a disagree?
Frank say your dashingly colored toupee twists my right boot into a state of ennui with the speed and dexterity of many lemon meringue-coated conquistadors.
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My experience too. Modern Australian apartments are poorly built in general. Whack em up as quick and cheaply as possible and flog em off for half a mill.
Compared to where?
I looked at buying an apartment overseas 18 mths ago in a new complex that wealthy locals and middle class expats where living in. All were sold, but most had not even been fitted out as yet I rented one that was for sale for 8 weeks to see if I liked the area and to ascertain if I would be happy living there
These are the pictures of some of the defects in the unit
Compared to here. I have lived in 60 year old apartments that are as solid as a rock and most of the time you wouldn't even know you had neighbours. The tradesmen took pride in ther work and the original ornate yet solid finishes were still in place. Today..... the finishes look good and solid just long enough to get you to sign on the dotted line and start to fray and fall apart after about a month - paper thin paint job and paper thin walls.
I would assume the other difference between these shoddy apartments and the shoddy apartment in your pictures is the asking price - half a million dollars. For half a million dollars I expect good solid tradesmanship that lasts for many many years - not a few months.
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