And would you like to spell out clearly just why it is so crucial that you mind read the governments intentions for your theory to be conclusivly proven... For those of us that missed why...
Um, because you keep demanding that I prove my theory. :rolleyes:
Um, because you keep demanding that I prove my theory. :rolleyes:
Go back to sleep...
I have been kindly asking you to proove your theory... You seem to insist that you must be able to read government minds to do it.
Explain why please... Exactly..
Since you have obviously forgotten your original quoted theory.. Let me remind you..
"The main benefit of negative gearing is to the government. It increases the pool of private property investors by making it easier for investors to afford the holding costs, which increases the pool of rental property available, which in turn keeps rents lower than they would otherwise be. Low cost housing - i.e. cheap rental accommodation is necessary for a large section of society. If private property investors did not provide this rental accommodation then the government would be forced to provide it via public housing, which would ultimately cost the government a lot more than negative gearing costs them. I believe public housing costs the UK government a small fortune, and is generally of a much lower standard (ghettos, slums etc) than the private rental accommodation that is prevalent in Australia. Strindberg can probably explain it better - I think he has some facts and figures on this to hand, costs etc."
I have been kindly asking you to proove your theory... You seem to insist that you must be able to read government minds to do it.
Explain why please... Exactly..
Because I believe it is impossible to prove why a particular government supports negative gearing (true motivation can never be proved). The best I could do is ask them, even then I might not get an honest answer.
However, you said you knew numerous alternative ways to prove motivation... 'There are numerous examples, you can google them if you like... or would you like me to do that for you too ?'.
Since you refuse to link to any of these methods (apart from one that backed up my position - a survey determining motivation by asking participants), I'll have to assume you just made it all up.
Because I believe it is impossible to prove why a particular government supports negative gearing (true motivation can never be proved). The best I could do is ask them, even then I might not get an honest answer.
However, you said you knew numerous alternative ways to prove motivation... 'There are numerous examples, you can google them if you like... or would you like me to do that for you too ?'.
Since you refuse to link to any of these methods (apart from one that backed up my position - a survey determining motivation by asking participants), I'll have to assume you just made it all up.
If there is good reason for the gov to have the current neg gearing setup, it will be somewhere..
Your theory does not need you to have magic powers of mind reading to proove it
Your theory does not need to be simply logical to prove it (as you claimed before)
Your Theory, like any other theory that involves democratic governments and taxation, requires good, hard, evidence in the form of data. That data exists, strindberg seems capable of doing great seaches into gov. Sites, perhaps you could ask him to help..
At every request asking you to prove your theory you cite bizzare reasons to claim it is impossible..
I put it to you that you just dont want to try to prove your theory because its impossible, or just too much work for you...
Rastus, 17 March, Post 53: 'I would be more keen to support/ disprove your theory when you have enough hard evidence'
Shadow, 17 March, Post 54: 'it is impossible to prove or disprove'
Rastus, 17 March, Post 55: 'Why is it impossible to prove ?'
- There followed four days of Shadow trying to explain to Rastus why the theory is impossible to prove.
Rastus, 21 March, Post 105: 'I put it to you that you just dont want to try to prove your theory because its impossible'
What the? :wacko:
Thankyou for the summary..
impossible in my eyes because it is flawed and thus, not possible to prove...
So you would really like to prove your theory, but, sadly, it requires psycic powere of mind reading as the gov. Can never provide you with enough data...
I stand by my observation of your lack of willingness to do the research...
You have yet to provide thei exact reason why you do not trust the gov to have data justifying negative gearing..
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