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Australian Population Growth and Migration
Topic Started: 10 Jan 2011, 11:16 AM (21,819 Views)
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Here is a list of all the fabulous countries that are above us with faster rates of population growth.

Lets face it, who would not like living in Chad or the Gaza strip. Maybe Columbia is more your style? We are slowly climbing that list and aren't we in some great company, currently at 112.

We can do better if we all pull together, after all a growth rate of just 3% gets us into the top 10 fastest growing countries in the world. Gerry Harvey for example, that paragon of good citizenship, thinks 5% population growth p/a is reasonable. That would get us to No.1 and who doesn't like a winner, even it really means in this case you're a loser.

Think about those figures for one minute and you can see how we are an aberration amongst western nations. Not one country above us in that list is an equitable, fair or safe place for its citizens, well at least the poor ones, to live.. Some of those countries have the highest murder rates in the world, the poorest health and the lowest literacy. Something for us to aspire to I guess......


Rank Country

1 United Arab Emirates
2 Burundi
3 Niger
4 Kuwait
5 Gaza Strip
6 Mayotte
7 Congo, Democratic Republic of the
8 Ethiopia
9 Oman
10 Burkina Faso
11 Sao Tome and Principe
12 Madagascar
13 Benin
14 Rwanda
15 Western Sahara
16 Somalia
17 Yemen
18 Comoros
19 Congo, Republic of the
20 Togo
21 Malawi
22 Senegal
23 Equatorial Guinea
24 Uganda
25 Kenya
26 Liberia
27 Mali
28 Gambia, The
29 Eritrea
30 Afghanistan
31 Guinea
32 Turks and Caicos Islands
33 Iraq
34 Mauritania
35 Cayman Islands
36 Solomon Islands
37 Paraguay
38 Laos
39 Anguilla
40 Kiribati
41 Cameroon
42 Jordan
43 Sierra Leone
44 West Bank
45 Libya
46 Djibouti
47 Belize
48 Sudan
49 Cote d'Ivoire
50 Angola
51 Papua New Guinea
52 Marshall Islands
53 Chad
54 Guatemala
55 Tanzania
56 Egypt
57 Timor-Leste
58 Guinea-Bissau
59 Syria
60 Honduras
61 Nigeria
62 Macau
63 Philippines
64 Botswana
65 Gabon
66 Ghana
67 Tajikistan
68 Saudi Arabia
69 Haiti
70 British Virgin Islands
71 Mozambique
72 Nicaragua
73 Bolivia
74 Cambodia
75 Brunei
76 Nauru
77 Malaysia
78 Cyprus
79 Israel
80 El Salvador
81 Zambia
82 Tuvalu
83 Pakistan
84 Zimbabwe
85 Venezuela
86 Panama
87 Ecuador
88 Mongolia
89 Central African Republic
90 Dominican Republic
91 Tonga
92 Aruba
93 India
94 Vanuatu
95 Kyrgyzstan
96 French Polynesia
97 Fiji
98 Costa Rica
99 Samoa
100 Turkey
101 Swaziland
102 Antigua and Barbuda
103 Bahrain
104 Bangladesh
105 Nepal
106 Bhutan
107 Peru
108 American Samoa
109 Colombia
110 Brazil
111 Algeria
112 Australia
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Immigration is central to many of the problems this country faces whether that be high housing costs due to greater and greater competition for the available homes, overstretched infrastructure that can not support the number of people, law and order issues as our the crowding and increasing poverty of many raises the amount of crime committed.


It is not immigration that is a problem, it's the fact that governments are failing to invest almost anything into infrastructure in a last few decades. It's a shame how crappy our roads are, our railroads, our public transportation, non-existence of floodbanks in flood areas, our half a century old power grid ...
Even with no new immigrants, our infrastructure will collapse soon. Most of it is built 50-80 years ago and poorly maintained after that.


Governments spend huge amounts of money and still fail to deliver anything!
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raveswei
13 Jan 2011, 09:23 PM
It is not immigration that is a problem, it's the fact that governments failed to invest almost anything into infrastructure in a last few decades. It's a shame how crappy our roads are, our railroads, our public transportation, non-existence of floodbanks in flood areas, our half a century old power grid ...
Even with no new immigrants, our infrastructure will collapse soon. Most of it is built 50-80 years ago and poorly maintained after that.

Governments spend huge amounts of money and still fail to deliver anything!
We are exacerbating the problems with a never say die immigration program that is just adding to the stress on everything and everyone. Well, except for those that will be kicking the bucket in the not to distant future that frankly couldn't give a damn what happens to Australia after they are done using it up.

Let me correct your final sentence for you.

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Governments have stolen huge amounts of money to give to themselves and their friends and still fail to deliver anything!
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Jordan
13 Jan 2011, 08:30 PM

I am not referring to birthrates.

I clearly said:



If I am incorrect on that point I will be more than happy to admit it.
You are incorrect. From the CIA.

Population growth rate: India
1.376% (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 89
Population:
1,173,108,018 (July 2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 2
Age structure:
0-14 years: 30.5% (male 187,197,389/female 165,285,592)
15-64 years: 64.3% (male 384,131,994/female 359,795,835)
65 years and over: 5.2% (male 28,816,115/female 31,670,841) (2010 est.)

So Master Jordan, what is 1.376% of 1,173,108,018 people?


Population growth rate: Australia.
(How do these yanks get it so accurate. It have taken me heaps of data mining to come up with 1 or 1.1% now, weird.)
1.171% (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 107
Age structure:
0-14 years: 18.6% (male 2,026,975/female 1,923,828)
15-64 years: 67.9% (male 7,318,743/female 7,121,613)
65 years and over: 13.5% (male 1,306,329/female 1,565,153) (2010 est.)
Population:
21,515,754 (July 2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 54

And again Master Jordan what is 1.1% of 21,515,754 people?

India has a higher growth rate than Australia, a way higher fertility rate and an age structure ready to go.

Learn about population pyramids, please.

Officially we were at 2.2%, then 1.7%, as the last official figure and now, thought our work and in agreement with the CIA, we are at 1.1%. All over a three year decline.
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Master Jordan
Immigration and emigration denial is a problem. You need to get it straight as the attitude that we are somehow growing fast and it is kept a secret is alarming and very dangerous indeed.
Get the facts right, then form an option as so far, thinking that India is growing slower than Austrlia is wrong and also dangerous.
It reminds me of the property denial and rather a cause for all to be concerned about.

Given the level of understanding you have and passion for a cause, perhaps you could address your concerns into the other tread? http://s4.zetaboards.com/Australian_Property/topic/8315845/1/#new
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pauk
13 Jan 2011, 09:57 PM
You are incorrect. From the CIA.

Population growth rate: India
1.376% (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 89
Population:
1,173,108,018 (July 2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 2
Age structure:
0-14 years: 30.5% (male 187,197,389/female 165,285,592)
15-64 years: 64.3% (male 384,131,994/female 359,795,835)
65 years and over: 5.2% (male 28,816,115/female 31,670,841) (2010 est.)

So Master Jordan, what is 1.376% of 1,173,108,018 people?


Population growth rate: Australia.
(How do these yanks get it so accurate. It have taken me heaps of data mining to come up with 1 or 1.1% now, weird.)
1.171% (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 107
Age structure:
0-14 years: 18.6% (male 2,026,975/female 1,923,828)
15-64 years: 67.9% (male 7,318,743/female 7,121,613)
65 years and over: 13.5% (male 1,306,329/female 1,565,153) (2010 est.)
Population:
21,515,754 (July 2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 54

And again Master Jordan what is 1.1% of 21,515,754 people?

India has a higher growth rate than Australia, a way higher fertility rate and an age structure ready to go.

Learn about population pyramids, please.
2009 List by the CIA World Factbook

List of countries by population growth rate

You are incorrect.

You much vaunted CIA World Factbook would disagree with you. If you have an issue with that data take it up with them not me.

It has recently become a concern to the WHO organisation in fact that our health care provision although good will not remain so without much greater investment now we have exceeded the population growth rates of nations such as China and India.

The following figure has been derived from the CIA World Factbook and the Australian Bureau of Statistics.


As of the end of June 2009 the population growth rate was 2.1%.[9] This rate was based on estimates of:[10]

* one birth every 1 minute and 45 seconds,
* one death every 3 minutes and 40 seconds,
* a net gain of one international migrant every 1 minutes and 51 seconds leading to
* an overall total population increase of one person every 1 minutes and 11 seconds.

That is the current best estimate of our present growth rate based on recent data.

2% growth puts us at around 60th on the list of fastest growing countries.

I am not quite sure why you have taken to calling me Master Jordan but if it pleases you I am not offended.
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Master Jordan really?
The CIA have India at 93 and us at 112. Do you get it yet?

WHO are concerned about the Ageing population, not the growing populations.
http://www.who.int/topics/ageing/en/

Really can we move to the other tread please? I am happy to debate the numbers with you there, not here as you cannot seem to overcome your attitudes, even with the correct facts.
Please?

We are officially at 1.7%. June 2010.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0

Let's take it to the other thread, please as others may want to debate the actual numbers and not what you think is correct. Slanging allowed of course in there if you like.

Even if we had a similar growth rate, say both 1.7%, then do you get it that this is a percentage of the total people added each year. 1.7% of 22 million is very different to the 1.7% of over 1 billion people. Shite!

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:aSytHHNrw6UJ:www.census.gov/ipc/prod/ib-9701.pdf+&hl=en&gl=in&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESibf2sYAli99W16rR68rh5IotnAIQGrfy3dlyNe8rmmt42U4bFVJPQw6SsbbYZWuYaeOzg8cKYxPlR77ISRLhjMIqXAKERlHRGXpoMcGc-lWJBDCPVJ0mWdbohJW7iMix7Ww30v&sig=AHIEtbSf_nNagv02uMLIK5JIoPOKio1ZxA

Our growth was due to 57% from net immigration and 43% from births over deaths, whereas India was all from births. babies do not leave a country but immigrants do, and they are flooding out of OZ now.
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pauk
13 Jan 2011, 10:12 PM
Master Jordan really?
The CIA have India at 93 and us at 112. Do you get it yet?

WHO are concerned about the Ageing population, not the growing populations.
http://www.who.int/topics/ageing/en/

Really can we move to the other tread please? I am happy to debate the numbers with you there, not here as you cannot seem to overcome your attitudes, even with the correct facts.
Please?
I am not quite sure what you mean by my "attitudes". A more delicate sensibility than I may well take offense at that remark though.

You seem to place an inordinate amount of faith in a single source of data and any other data that is presented to you that conflicts with you thesis even if it is from the ABS you dismiss.

By the way China is at 156 with population growth of around 0.5% You must have forgotten to mention that one.
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China has an Ageing population, India does not.
We are using the abs stats, not the CIA in our work. I only used the CIA for your conversation as itvis simplistic and should have been easy to understand.

You do not understand population and basic demographics well and this is showing up.
Now, thick head, move to the other thread as I will not play with you anymore here as serious debate is being misdirected.

Your attitude sucks based on false beliefs about the actual data. What you see only suits you and you can not even make out the truth, as your attitude about stopping immigration is blinding you.

See you in the other thread.

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pauk
13 Jan 2011, 04:46 PM
As our average age is 36.7, then by law, half of our parliament should be under this age.
As nearly 6% of us are currently aged 0 - 4, should 6% of our parliament be toddlers? Should 4.5% of MPs be 80+? Which group would Wilson Tuckey belong to?

And how many seats should be reserved for the dole bludgers, the dope addicts, and the criminally insane?

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