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Australian Population Growth and Migration
Topic Started: 10 Jan 2011, 11:16 AM (21,809 Views)
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Gapminder animated charts. Just hit play.

http://www.bit.ly/g7bmOt

http://www.bit.ly/gKzJQS
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Greeting new guests today.
I suggest that you go back to page 1 and read the complete thread, as graphs were developed as responses to posts and prove most interesting.
Really, as I stated, more a study of the sociology surrounding property in Australia and how migration forms part of that construct, and well worth the knowledge.

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How do you rate the crusade so far?

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pauk
18 Jan 2011, 09:15 PM
Thank you Master Twitter.
I never really got into twitter although it seems to be all the rage with celebrities these days.

What did you do... is there somewhere we can see your 'tweets' or whatever they are? Link please...
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
20 Jan 2011, 03:24 PM
I never really got into twitter although it seems to be all the rage with celebrities these days.

What did you do... is there somewhere we can see your 'tweets' or whatever they are? Link please...
Links are no longer good, lol and now looking through web archive.
Google media contacts twitter and follow your nose.
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Ok so we have 382 710 short term students in Australia now, of which only 30% would have been here shorter than 12 months, so approx 250,000 students must return.

These students have been counted in our population growth rate, as they passed over the 12 months here, and also must be seen as departures, reducing our population growth rate, up to -1% when they leave.

This would be fine if enough students were coming to support the ponzi population growth scheme, but afraid not, so expect an even greater reduction in the population growth rate.

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Shadow
10 Jan 2011, 02:16 PM
Trends are often easier to spot using charts. I have charted the Permanent, Long Term, and Total net migration to Australia as shown.

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The trend is rising total net migration since the nineties until last year, followed by one year of falling net migration, bringing the current net migration rate back down to 2007 levels. Note that permanent net migration has been pretty flat since the early nineties. In fact it is the (much higher) long term migration rate that has really been impacting population growth in recent times.

I don't think one year of data is sufficient to claim a change in the trend. Last year's drop can be easily explained by the public backlash against Kevin Rudd's 'Big Australia' policy and an expectation of higher unemployment levels as a result of the GFC.

The migration figures might rise again over the next year or two, or they might not. We'll have to wait and see. Then we will know if the trend has really changed.
Please Master Shadow, can you update your monthly chart with the December numbers....please....
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please.....December saw over 12,000 aussies gho, a new record high!
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pauk
29 May 2011, 03:22 PM
please.....December saw over 12,000 aussies gho, a new record high!
Hi Pauk, as discussed before, the problem is that these NOM figures are based on Net Overseas Movement, rather than Migration, and the movement figures are not a true representation of final migration figures because they 'double count' the movements of people who travel in and out of Australia multiple times per year, and that even includes airline crew. They are also affected by people who fill in their migration cards incorrectly - for example they say they are leaving permanently and then decide to return.

The ABS perform a lot of cross checking and processing of the raw movement figures before they release the actual permanent migration data, which is released much later in the year due to the extra processing required to ensure the final numbers are accurate. I only discovered this after I had made the first chart, and for this reason I'm not really interested in updating the chart because the data is misleading and doesn't actually tell us about permanent migration at all. We need to wait for the official ABS migration and population growth data to be released.
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1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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So can anyone else update the chart?
Shadow, Could you post the excel file for me to work on?
Note your points about nom.
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1 Jun 2011, 12:02 PM

Note your points about nom.
Wu laugh at pauk
now you admit you wrong and deceit?
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