Shadow, I always new STV were included and the bait taken.....lol A Short Term Visitor would stays longer than 12 months is included in our population growth rates as reported by the ABS. A student here for 3 years and then destined to return is counted. That is shite.
To add your (less than 12) now as a clarification is not what you said at 5.45 yesterday, well a bit of poor form.
Shadow (on page 5 of this topic and said yesterday by you) "The chart above does not include short term visitors (assume that's what you mean by STV). Only permanent and long term visitors are included in the official population growth rate."
Can you explain that please to me?
I note and apologise for my language to Ray. It appears an intention is to derail the thread and in doing so he is actually drawing attention to several major concerns about the abs numbers. I was trying to move him, without moderation, to the rant thread. I apologise.
Shadow, I always new STV were included and the bait taken.....lol A Short Term Visitor would stays longer than 12 months is included in our population growth rates as reported by the ABS. A student here for 3 years and then destined to return is counted. That is shite.
To add your (less than 12) now as a clarification is not what you said at 5.45 yesterday, well a bit of poor form.
Shadow (on page 5 of this topic and said yesterday by you) "The chart above does not include short term visitors (assume that's what you mean by STV). Only permanent and long term visitors are included in the official population growth rate."
Can you explain that please to me?
I note and apologise for my language to Ray. It appears an intention is to derail the thread and in doing so he is actually drawing attention to several major concerns about the abs numbers. I was trying to move him, without moderation, to the rant thread. I apologise.
Paul
Pauk, the definition of 'short term' is less than 12 months. That is the official ABS definition.
If they stay longer than 12 months then they are officially long term.
I'm not sure why you are having so much trouble with this.
You seem to be saying that the official definition of 'short term' is incorrect, and that you have a new private definition that is better?
If you invent your own private definitions for well understood or official terms, then don't expect anyone to understand you.
Shadow So a Short Term Visa holder, get automatically moved or classed to a LTV after the 12 out of 16 months? Are you sure about this, the Visa would not change, would it?? Where is the definition link?
I take it you meant to add the (less than 12 months) to your comment yesterday.
I am in the mouse school, so I am always open.
Do Visa's change after the 12 months? How do the ABS know who has or has not returned as an under or over 12 month Visa holder? Are not LTVisas and STVisas different to apply for?
I note and apologise for my language to Ray. It appears an intention is to derail the thread and in doing so he is actually drawing attention to several major concerns about the abs numbers. I was trying to move him, without moderation, to the rant thread. I apologise.
Your abuse was directed at Sherlock. It's him you need to apologise to.
Sherlock Do you want to correct yourself or do you want to add a new condition, Short term under 12 months? lol. Sherlock said Check what they're called?? They're called.......... wait for it........... short term!! Meaning, not included in NOM!! Are you on the same planet, as the rest of us??
Shadow We did not use and you rejected using the STV in your chart as they really do not have much bearing on the property market, according to you I recall.
So, I win. The abs have admitted their are numbers are shite and I agree.
Now, we have not used them and that shall remain as the plan?
They do effect the population growth rates, however that is really a separate argument to dealing just with property. Agree?
So, discussions about the ABS STV in this thread are over. Agree?
I will respond to the ABS data only in the rant thread, as more important issues need to be further developed. Thanks paul
So a Short Term Visa holder, get automatically moved or classed to a LTV after the 12 out of 16 months? Are you sure about this, the Visa would not change, would it?? Where is the definition link?
A short term visa holder is not permitted to stay in the country longer than 12 months. If they do illegally stay longer than 12 months then the Dept. of Immigration will eventually catch up with them and deport them. If they legally gain a long term visa while here then they will be counted in the long term category.
pauk
15 Jan 2011, 10:38 AM
I take it you meant to add the (less than 12 months) to your comment yesterday.
No, we were discussing official ABS statistics and terms. I assumed you understood the official definition of those terms.
I didn't consider that you might have been using your own private definition of 'short term'...
Sherlock Do you want to correct yourself or do you want to add a new condition, Short term under 12 months? lol. Sherlock said Check what they're called?? They're called.......... wait for it........... short term!! Meaning, not included in NOM!! Are you on the same planet, as the rest of us??
That 'condition' is superfluous. Short term can only mean under 12 months. It has no other meaning. There is no such thing as short term over 12 months.
Shadow We did not use and you rejected using the STV in your chart as they really do not have much bearing on the property market, according to you I recall. So, I win. The abs have admitted their are numbers are shite and I agree. Now, we have not used them and that shall remain as the plan? They do effect the population growth rates, however that is really a separate argument to dealing just with property. Agree? So, discussions about the ABS STV in this thread are over. Agree? I will respond to the ABS data only in the rant thread, as more important issues need to be further developed. Thanks paul
I have no idea what you're talking about.
You are the one who initiated this pointless discussion about STV.
Nobody was talking about it until you brought it up and claimed repeatedly that the STV figures were included in the net overseas migration numbers.
And the ABS have not 'admitted their are numbers are shite'. You made that up.
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