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Shadow
14 Jan 2011, 06:45 PM
I don't play games Pauk.

The chart above does not include short term visitors (assume that's what you mean by STV). Only permanent and long term visitors are included in the official population growth rate.
No short term are included.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/E11A2CBD400BF066CA25776E0017776F?opendocument

FYI refer to the ABS Net Overseas Migration policy which reads;

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In 2007, to better measure the changes in traveller behaviour and in particular to more accurately capture and measure temporary migration, the ABS introduced improved methods for calculating NOM. The key improvement was the introduction of the '12/16 month rule', whereby a traveller is included in the resident population if they are in Australia for a total of 12 months or more over a 16 month period, or conversely, subtracted from the population if they are away for a total of 12 months or more over a 16 month period. This has replaced the previous method (12/12 month rule) where a traveller had to be in, or away from, Australia for 12 continuous months.

So were you wrong or right? And if you were wrong and STV are included, then do you agree that should not be?
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pauk
14 Jan 2011, 11:24 PM
No short term are included.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/E11A2CBD400BF066CA25776E0017776F?opendocument

FYI refer to the ABS Net Overseas Migration policy which reads;

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In 2007, to better measure the changes in traveller behaviour and in particular to more accurately capture and measure temporary migration, the ABS introduced improved methods for calculating NOM. The key improvement was the introduction of the '12/16 month rule', whereby a traveller is included in the resident population if they are in Australia for a total of 12 months or more over a 16 month period, or conversely, subtracted from the population if they are away for a total of 12 months or more over a 16 month period. This has replaced the previous method (12/12 month rule) where a traveller had to be in, or away from, Australia for 12 continuous months.

So were you wrong or right? And if you were wrong and STV are included, then do you agree that should not be?
Can't you read buddy?? Shadow was right -- it says, 12 months or more!!

Short term = less than 12 months.................... dude, please -- stop embarrassing yourself!!

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http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/3412.0Explanatory%20Notes12008-09?OpenDocument
16 Conceptually, the term NOM is based on an international travellers' duration of stay being in or out of Australia for 12 months or more. It is the difference between the number of incoming travellers who stay in Australia for 12 months or more and are added to the population (NOM arrivals) and the number of outgoing travellers who leave Australia for 12 months or more and are subtracted from the population (NOM departures). With the introduction of the improved methods for estimating NOM, this 12 months does not have to be continuous and is measured over a 16 month reference period. For example whether a traveller is in or out of the population is determined by their exact duration of stay in or away from Australia over the subsequent 16 months after arrival or departure.
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Tar master Sid
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/population-focus-on-housing/story-fn59niix-1225983882819

Sherlock, why would you answer for shadow? He said short term visitors were not included. They are and under the conditions you outline, 12 months or more. They are not long term visitors and I still think shadow needs to answer this, just to clarify and you have not.
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Tar gra and p

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/productivity-is-key-to-everything/story-e6frg9if-1225987396948

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8195622/sas-population-continues-to-grow-and-age
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pauk
15 Jan 2011, 12:49 AM
Tar master Sid
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/population-focus-on-housing/story-fn59niix-1225983882819

Sherlock, why would you answer for shadow? He said short term visitors were not included. They are and under the conditions you outline, 12 months or more. They are not long term visitors and I still think shadow needs to answer this, just to clarify and you have not.
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Open forum mate -- I'll respond to what I decide!! Short term, is not included, under any "conditions" -- 12 months or more is long term.........................
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Sherlock, perhaps check again what short term are called.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/ProductsbyReleaseDate/568BCE24A5E5CEC5CA257774001ABE30?OpenDocument

And here

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3401.0Main%20Features2Nov%202010?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3401.0&issue=Nov%202010&num=&view=


Really Sherlock does not suit you after all.lol
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Ok abs worked on it.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3401.0Main%20Features2Nov%202010?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3401.0&issue=Nov%202010&num=&view=
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pauk
15 Jan 2011, 01:06 AM
Check what they're called?? They're called.......... wait for it........... short term!! Meaning, not included in NOM!! Are you on the same planet, as the rest of us??
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Participation rates start their decline.

http://www.skynews.com.au/businessnews/article.aspx?id=563873&vId=
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pauk
15 Jan 2011, 01:14 AM
Ooooh -- changed topics now, have we?? :popcorn:
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