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Jimbo
4 Jul 2017, 03:19 PM
So we don't open up more land by building bigger and better roads then?

The Kwinana Freeway didn't open up land south of South Street then?

The Mitchell Freeway didn't open up the Northern Suburbs then?

Perth hasn't grown from a few streets 150 years ago to a 50km radius metro area because roads were built from the centre to outlying areas, opening them up for development?
Yet again you miss the point for no other reason than you are sprinting away from a false claim you made by twisting and turning through a series of tangents irrelevant to your initial claim which was
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And every year, we open up more and more of it by building better roads, speeding up commutes.


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No they haven't. Pillock.
Yes, they have. I listed 4 links discussing the impacts of more cars on the roads of Perth increasing commute times. Traffic congestion is not a new phenomenon in Perth, particularly the identified dual carriage way running from shithole Burns Beach to the north to shithole Warnbro in the south rendering morning commutes on that road a standstill making an absolute mockery of your claim.
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4 Jul 2017, 03:42 PM
Yet again you miss the point for no other reason than you are sprinting away from a false claim you made by twisting and turning through a series of tangents irrelevant to your initial claim which was
My original claim was that every year we open up more land by building bigger and better roads and speeding up commutes.

That claim is 100% true, evidenced by the fact that Perth has grown from a few streets 150 years ago to an urban sprawl of 50km radius today. Something to do with roads I think.

It is also evidenced by the fact that it takes the same time to commute from Rockingham today as it took to commute from Bateman 35 years ago. Maybe because better and wider roads were built?

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I listed 4 links discussing the impacts of more cars on the roads of Perth increasing commute times. Traffic congestion is not a new phenomenon in Perth, particularly the identified dual carriage way running from shithole Burns Beach to the north to shithole Warnbro in the south rendering morning commutes on that road a standstill making an absolute mockery of your claim.
Strange then that I can get into Perth in just under an hour at peak time, door to door, by using a car. That would have been impossible 20 or 30 years ago. Maybe the fact that there is a freeway which wasn't there 30 years ago has something to do with that? Maybe the recent widening of that Freeway at congestion points has also helped a bit?

Are you saying that this won't continue in the future? New roads won't be built? Existing roads won't be widened? Commute times won't be improved?

Derr brain.

Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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4 Jul 2017, 04:02 PM
My original claim was that every year we open up more land by building bigger and better roads and speeding up commutes.

If you ask anybody in Joondalup if it takes them less time to get to the city in peak hour than it did 10 years ago they will tell you that you are wrong. If you ask them why they will tell you that it is because there are more cars using the same 2 lane stretch of road than a decade ago. According to you those commutes are becoming faster. According to anybody living in the real world they are not.

And the more monkeys that we move into these far flung shitholes to live like Baldivis, Methbro, Alkimos and Ellenbrook the worse the problem will get, not better.

If you think anything different you are retarded.

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That claim is 100% true, evidenced by the fact that Perth has grown from a few streets 150 years ago to an urban sprawl of 50km radius today. Something to do with roads I think.
The claim is 100% false as evidenced by what is actually happening in the real world and not what you think is happening in your tiny insulated mind.
Jimbo
4 Jul 2017, 04:02 PM
It is also evidenced by the fact that it takes the same time to commute from Rockingham today as it took to commute from Bateman 35 years ago. Maybe because better and wider roads were built?
Aside from the fact that it never took an hour to move from Bateman to the CBD from Perth 35 years ago the fact that you can now do it from Rockingham in an hour has everything to do with the fact that the traffic lights were removed from the freeway that is still for 99.9% of the journey the same two lanes that it always was. The fact that we now have more onramps on that same freeway is increasing congestion as we feed onto it from, for example Roe Highway where in a piece of planning genius we have three lanes feeding into both north and south (1.5 lanes effectively each way) casing traffic gridlock off the freeway each morning and onto the freeway each afternoon further slowing commutes that you claim were becoming faster.
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Matthew
4 Jul 2017, 04:07 PM
If you ask anybody in Joondalup if it takes them less time to get to the city in peak hour than it did 10 years ago they will tell you that you are wrong.
Yes Matey. But it takes a hell of a lot less time than it 50 years ago. That's because 50 years ago, there wasn't much of a road. Consequently, not that many people lived there.

Then they built the road and a whole lot of land was opened up for development and a whole lot of people moved there. More people on the road means more congestion.

Now they need to make the road better, improve commute times and then a whole load of more land will be opened up.

But according to you, this is not possible because every year commutes takes longer and nothing can be done about it.

New roads are not built, existing roads are not widened.

According to you.



Matthew
4 Jul 2017, 04:07 PM
Aside from the fact that it never took an hour to move from Bateman to the CBD from Perth 35 years ago the fact that you can now do it from Rockingham in an hour has everything to do with the fact that the traffic lights were removed from the freeway that is still for 99.9% of the journey the same two lanes that it always was.
They didn't build a bridge at Mt Henry then? They didn't double the width of the Narrows Bridge then?

Tool.
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Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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Matthew
4 Jul 2017, 02:17 PM
I'll just paraphrase your argument shall I ;

"There hasn't been infrastructure build, and the suburbs haven't spread, because the suburbs spread so much the infrastructure has been overwhelmed. It's true, just look at all of the congestion!"

Good argument bro :lol

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4 Jul 2017, 04:26 PM
I'll just paraphrase your argument shall I ;

"There hasn't been infrastructure build, and the suburbs haven't spread, because the suburbs spread so much the infrastructure has been overwhelmed. It's true, just look at all of the congestion!"

Good argument bro :lol
That is not my argument at all. Even when you try and paraphrase people you cock it up. And you have the audacity to call others stupid? Yet with comments like that you make Drunkbat look smart.

Piss off.
Jimbo
4 Jul 2017, 04:22 PM
But according to you, this is not possible because every year commutes takes longer and nothing can be done about it.

New roads are not built, existing roads are not widened.

According to you.
Where did I say that?

There is plenty that they can do to improve commute times. They just haven't done them. The WA Government and Land Developers have incentivised people to move to the far north and far south by opening more land there. Accordingly more people have moved north and south. But there is no infrastructure or employment in these suburbs. So the new residents join the masses on the same roads to where the employment is. And that takes more time.

In 2006 Census the population of Alkimos was 0. Today it is around 6,000

The population of Ellenbrook was 8,000. Today over 40,000

The population of Baldivis was 3,700. Today it is nearer to 16,000.

In those three suburbs alone that is over 50,000 more people in a decade. More than 4x the population in a decade. But the infrastructure is largely the same. Shitload more cars, same exact freeway.

Meanwhile the population of Bateman has increased from 3,500 in 2006 to 4,000 a decade later. They benefit from freeway widenings and improved amenity. Not the residents of the far flung shitholes.

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They didn't build a bridge at Mt Henry then? They didn't double the width of the Narrows Bridge then?
Of course they did. It was adequate then. It is inadequate now. They haven't improved it at all since despite your clams that they improve these things every year to improve commute times.
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4 Jul 2017, 05:23 PM
There is plenty that they can do to improve commute times. They just haven't done them.
They didn't widen the Narrows Bridge then?

They didn't build Mt Henry Bridge?

They didn't put in a rail network, extend the Freeway down south numerous times, widen it in quite a few places, build Roe Highway and the Mitchell Freeway extension? No Tonkin or Graham Farmer Freeways either?

They didn't do any of these things to improve commute times and open up new land for residential and business use?

I have a 1990 copy of the Perth Metro UBD road map that says different.

Cockhead.
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Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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4 Jul 2017, 05:23 PM
That is not my argument at all. Even when you try and paraphrase people you cock it up. And you have the audacity to call others stupid? Yet with comments like that you make Drunkbat look smart.

Piss off.

It wasn't that?

Something about the suburbs only being built for the manufacture out drugs or something then?

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Still waiting on Hong Kong restaurant tips Matty?
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5 Jul 2017, 11:47 AM
Still waiting on Hong Kong restaurant tips Matty?
McDonald's I would imagine.
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