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Speech on Land Titles; The heart of our system of land ownership
Topic Started: 18 Jun 2017, 04:52 PM (6,562 Views)
Matthew
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Ex BP Golly
27 Jun 2017, 07:05 AM
The State Guarantee is backed by the Torrens
Assurance Fund, which provides compensation
for any loss suffered as a result of fraud or error in
registration."
Your house is still gone, your title is still superceeded, you are still lining up waiting for compensation that may or may not be adequate.

Why do you continually provide links that show you are wrong?
My only hope for my three boys is that they turn out nothing at all like Chris.
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24 Jun 2017, 03:23 PM
Piss off stupid.
When a dozen people are saying you're wrong, and nobody is agreeing with you, perhaps it's time to re-evaluate your position. Did you learn nothing from your humiliation over the consumer protection laws? Remember when you claimed banks kick people out of their homes "all the time" just because the value fell? And then everyone else explained that this actually never happens. Silly old Golly. :lol
Edited by Rat, 27 Jun 2017, 12:30 PM.
Consumer protection laws extended to small businesses. Banks not permitted to repossess due to non-monetary defaults (for example, a fall in the property value).
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27 Jun 2017, 10:55 AM
It says the registered owners, not the certificate of title holders.

So the true owners are the registered owners.

Whether you hold a certificate or not is irrelevant. That's what this argument started over. You believed a paper copy title held more value than the digitally recorded system, what you just posted proves you to be incorrect.
No, it proves you don't understand the system.
Rat
27 Jun 2017, 12:28 PM
When a dozen people are saying you're wrong, and nobody is agreeing with you, perhaps it's time to re-evaluate your position. Did you learn nothing from your humiliation over the consumer protection laws? Remember when you claimed banks kick people out of their homes "all the time" just because the value fell? And then everyone else explained that this actually never happens. Silly old Golly. :lol
You don't prove someone wrong by throwing your dirty socks at them Shadow.

Edited by Ex BP Golly, 27 Jun 2017, 04:56 PM.
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For WA
Landgate can provide certified copies of Certificates of Title, freehold sruveys, Crown surveys, deposited plans and documents registered, deposited or lodged under the Transfer of Land Act or Registration of Deeds Act. A minimum 4 days notice to be given in prepping.

Fraud Prevention...
especially for those wanting to leave the country for some time and want to breathe a little easy... fraud is evident on those who don't live local....

Landgate since 2012 offers Titlewatch, Landowners caveat and the VOI stuff Verifcation of Identity.
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
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Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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From the English law:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.nation.co.ke/business/seedsofgold/Land-Policy-Advice-Title-Deeds/2301238-2660804-view-asAMP-158kyt9/index.html

"The law is very clear on the fact that a title acquired fraudulently may be revoked. Section 26 (1) of the Land Registration Act, 2012, says:

"The certificate of title issued by the registrar upon registration, or to a purchaser of land upon transfer or transmission by the proprietor shall be taken by all counts as prima facie evidence that the person named as proprietor of the land is absolute and indefeasible owner, subject to the encumbrances, easements, restrictions and conditions contained or endorsed in the certificate, and the title of that proprietor shall not be subject to challenge except: (a) On the ground of fraud or misrepresentation to which the person is proved to be a party; or (b) Where the certificate of title has been acquired illegally, procedurally or through a corrupt scheme.”

If you can prove that the title was acquired fraudulently in a court of law, then a court order can be issued to the relevant Land Registrar to expunge the contentious records from the Land Register".

I find it hard to imagine anyone would be dumb enough to not know this stuff, and to put so much effort into investing in something they thought could be stolen so easily and irrevocably.

f***ing idiot investors hey!

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27 Jun 2017, 05:35 PM
From the English law:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.nation.co.ke/business/seedsofgold/Land-Policy-Advice-Title-Deeds/2301238-2660804-view-asAMP-158kyt9/index.html

"The law is very clear on the fact that a title acquired fraudulently may be revoked. Section 26 (1) of the Land Registration Act, 2012, says:

"The certificate of title issued by the registrar upon registration, or to a purchaser of land upon transfer or transmission by the proprietor shall be taken by all counts as prima facie evidence that the person named as proprietor of the land is absolute and indefeasible owner, subject to the encumbrances, easements, restrictions and conditions contained or endorsed in the certificate, and the title of that proprietor shall not be subject to challenge except: (a) On the ground of fraud or misrepresentation to which the person is proved to be a party; or (b) Where the certificate of title has been acquired illegally, procedurally or through a corrupt scheme.”

If you can prove that the title was acquired fraudulently in a court of law, then a court order can be issued to the relevant Land Registrar to expunge the contentious records from the Land Register".

I find it hard to imagine anyone would be dumb enough to not know this stuff, and to put so much effort into investing in something they thought could be stolen so easily and irrevocably.

f***ing idiot investors hey!

What is upsetting you? That you are wrong and too stubborn to admit it?

Lets go another way:

There is recent evidence of fraud occurring and the person being unable to recover their property rather being forced to chase compensation. The link has been provided on this site by you.

Find us other links, more than one, where following fraud the buyer has been evicted and the former owner returned their property.

I cannot find any examples of this. I suspect it is because there is none.
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Matthew
27 Jun 2017, 05:41 PM
What is upsetting you? That you are wrong and too stubborn to admit it?

Lets go another way:

There is recent evidence of fraud occurring and the person being unable to recover their property rather being forced to chase compensation. The link has been provided on this site by you.

Find us other links, more than one, where following fraud the buyer has been evicted and the former owner returned their property.

I cannot find any examples of this. I suspect it is because there is none.
If you can't read or understand what is before your eyes, I really can't help you.
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27 Jun 2017, 06:25 PM
If you can't read or understand what is before your eyes, I really can't help you.
I understand it perfectly. It is why people including you have been able to provide links to where a person defrauded of their property have been compensated but been unable to recover said property while at the same time nobody including you has been able to produce a case where the property was returned to the prior owner and currently defrauded person.

If you were able to produce such evidence it would prove you right and thus I have no doubt you would flood these pages to links accordingly. Alas as such links do not exist you need to resort to flaccid arguments and pointless name calling whilst claiming you are right despite a large and growing number of people pointing out that you are wrong.
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Reposted from the Avocado thread.

If Golly has a CT as he claims, and I have no reason to doubt him on this issue, then a transaction cannot be registered on the title unless he presents his CT.

Not a sale, nor a mortgage, nor a subdivision, nor an easement - nothing can happen on his title without his CT. It's not just a copy.

Someone can go to the trouble of trying to sell his property or taking out a mortgage fraudulently, but it just can't happen without his Certificate of Title.
Edited by Rufus, 27 Jun 2017, 08:06 PM.
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Matthew
27 Jun 2017, 07:46 PM
I understand it perfectly. It is why people including you have been able to provide links to where a person defrauded of their property have been compensated but been unable to recover said property while at the same time nobody including you has been able to produce a case where the property was returned to the prior owner and currently defrauded person.

If you were able to produce such evidence it would prove you right and thus I have no doubt you would flood these pages to links accordingly. Alas as such links do not exist you need to resort to flaccid arguments and pointless name calling whilst claiming you are right despite a large and growing number of people pointing out that you are wrong.
I'll repeat the quote again for the Villiage Idiot: "The law is very clear on the fact that a title acquired fraudulently may be revoked..."

You imagine it would be any other way?

Really?
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