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"Investor grade" building materials kills 12 (and counting) in the heart of london; Chinese fire proof cladding (gasp) catches fire
Topic Started: 15 Jun 2017, 09:07 AM (4,617 Views)
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15 Jun 2017, 12:23 PM
I'm trying to remember my fire fighter training, but something about molten aluminum and water rings a bell!
It'll be PARTICULARY scary if tha building codes (for wherever) don't actually specifically state that when such shit is used in such applications, tha fill on tha inside MUST be just pretty much 100% incombustible Golly.
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15 Jun 2017, 12:35 PM
It'll be PARTICULARY scary if tha building codes (for wherever) don't actually specifically state that when such shit is used in such applications, tha fill on tha inside MUST be just pretty much 100% incombustible Golly.
I'm pretty certain the code requires it be so.

But what does the code matter?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-27/cheap-cladding-turns-apartments-into-time-bombs/6501716
"Unions and fire prevention experts warn high-rise apartment owners are sitting on time bombs if safety loopholes around cheap construction materials are not closed.

"When it comes to building materials, and particularly imported building materials, it looks like no-one's in charge," Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union national secretary Michael O'Connor said.

"We have a flood of building materials being brought into this country, some claiming to meet Australian standards and we know they don't, some not even bothering to make a claim of meeting Australian standards.

"It endangers the public and increases the chances that someone's going to be seriously injured...."
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15 Jun 2017, 10:41 AM

You think complaining about fake Chinese building products is racist?

"Scores of dead" is nothing to see?
Notice how you aren't capable of a rational examination of the incident from the word chinese?

Everyone else has noticed it to.
Chris
15 Jun 2017, 11:37 AM
Nothing to see? It's a comment you'd expect from such an infantile, he is by far the most incompetent bull in existence.

Leaving him aside, a system of self reporting? WTF?

Here's an idea, one person attend a high rise development with an oxy torch or similar, remove a panel to a grassed area and torch it, of it explodes into flames guess what? It's dodgy and the whole thing needs to be redone and inspected the same way after completion.

It's really that simple but self reporting, as a governing body that makes them as culpable as the builder using this shite material as they are effectively saying they will do nothing.
Yeah you and golly are regular hero's using a tragic incident to try point score.

The simple fact is you can buy products of any range of qualities right up to the most premium from China. You won't point the finger at the guy who made the decision to purchase uncertified cladding, no for you lot it's easier to bash an entire race of people.
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15 Jun 2017, 02:06 PM
Notice how you aren't capable of a rational examination of the incident from the word chinese?

Everyone else has noticed it to.

Yeah you and golly are regular hero's using a tragic incident to try point score.

The simple fact is you can buy products of any range of qualities right up to the most premium from China. You won't point the finger at the guy who made the decision to purchase uncertified cladding, no for you lot it's easier to bash an entire race of people.
The point is you gutter snipe, that when you buy an apartment (or any other finished dwelling sold as a product) you don't know that the developer and his shit head regulatory mates are gambling with your life by substituting substandard products that don't meet code/standards.

Now phuk off back to your gutter
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"Investor grade" building materials kills 12
What has this got to do with investors, or are you just piggy-backing on a tragedy as a means to pursue your anti-investor obsession and score cheap points? Pretty sad really.
Edited by Rat, 15 Jun 2017, 02:51 PM.
Consumer protection laws extended to small businesses. Banks not permitted to repossess due to non-monetary defaults (for example, a fall in the property value).
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http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/london-fire-melbourne-skyscraper-fire-caused-by-shoddy-cladding-may-have-been-a-warning-for-london/news-story/6de8652286b765f369e779be3062a45f

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/boss-of-company-which-installed-highly-flammable-grenfell-tower-cladding-did-not-know-what-material-was-used/news-story/e87bade91c71f8e173e39f3e38e2dd0b
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15 Jun 2017, 02:48 PM
What has this got to do with investors, or are you just piggy-backing on a tragedy as a means to pursue your anti-investor obsession and score cheap points? Pretty sad really.
I'm surprised you haven't made some kind of remark about this increasing the demand and therefore price of freestanding property.
You bulls are absolutely deplorable.
Edited by GloomBoomDoom, 15 Jun 2017, 03:11 PM.
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15 Jun 2017, 03:00 PM
this increasing the demand and therefore price of freestanding property
Does it really? I'm not surprised that was your first thought. Just the sort of insensitive and tasteless rationalisation I'd expect from you and your ilk. You and Golly are sick puppies. Disgusting.
Edited by Rat, 15 Jun 2017, 03:19 PM.
Consumer protection laws extended to small businesses. Banks not permitted to repossess due to non-monetary defaults (for example, a fall in the property value).
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herbie
15 Jun 2017, 11:56 AM
'N it also sounds like it's more likely ta be old buildings than new ones?
In older cladding systems, the insulation of choice was mineral wool (Rockwool). This doesn't burn. This material is still used to insulate Dongas due to their light steel frame construction (rockwool is stuffed into the framework).

Most new buildings are clad with polyisocyanurate (PIR) insulation. Looks like exapnding foam filler with a thin layer of foil on either side. Performs really well as an insulation, but it is flammable.

Looks like the London tower was clad with an aluminium outer face and rigid PIR behind it (Celotex FR5000).

Rainscreen cladding systems require an air gap between the outer skin and the insulation. Although the cladding face won't burn, if the insulation behind it catches fire, it will spread upwards with the aid of the air gap. The problem being that the outer skin will shield the fire from any attempts to fight the fire with water. The windows in the London tower had also been changed to UPVC frames which will melt and break down in a fire creating a pathway into each individual unit. The original windows would have been the old crappy Crittall mild steel frames. Horrible things used extensively in UK council house construction, but, they don't melt like the UPVC.

The long and short of it is that had the building not been refurbished, the fire would have been confined to the source unit. Individual council flats catch fire all the time in the UK with little consequence. The application of a flammable material, shielded from firefighters by a rainscreen facing with an air gap to allow spread of flame, was the cause of this disaster.




Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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15 Jun 2017, 02:06 PM
Notice how you aren't capable of a rational examination of the incident from the word chinese?

Everyone else has noticed it to.

Yeah you and golly are regular hero's using a tragic incident to try point score.

The simple fact is you can buy products of any range of qualities right up to the most premium from China. You won't point the finger at the guy who made the decision to purchase uncertified cladding, no for you lot it's easier to bash an entire race of people.
You are a complete and utter tool.

Chinese companies make up over 50% of all high rise developments on the east coast, this means Chinese were therefore responsible for a fair portion of the dangerous cladding. The rest, as per my previous post would be down to unscrupulous types cutting corners and Chinese imports being deliberately labelled as complying with the highest standards but being substandard.

You see it is a fact that Chinese have a significant responsibility for this cladding being manufactured and distributed around the world, I dare dmsay the London fire will trace the cladding back to China.

You would see these simple facts if you weren't such a Leftie freedom fighter douche bag, you skid fail to realise I am not Anglo Saxon so it's hard for to be racist but I guess you are pretty good at going to the lowest common denominator and scream racist.

Get a life man child.
Edited by Chris, 15 Jun 2017, 04:33 PM.
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15 Jun 2017, 02:35 PM
The point is you gutter snipe, that when you buy an apartment (or any other finished dwelling sold as a product) you don't know that the developer and his shit head regulatory mates are gambling with your life by substituting substandard products that don't meet code/standards.

Now phuk off back to your gutter
That's no different to any other product or point in time in all of history.
Chris
15 Jun 2017, 04:32 PM
Chinese companies
Chinese were therefore responsible
cutting corners and Chinese imports
Chinese have a significant responsibility
back to China.


You even admit it hasn't been traced back to a Chinese import yet, but that didn't stop you and golly screaming yellow peril without a second thought.
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