The land titles office hold the official record. Copies can be printed, but they don't do much to protect you.
Even if you hold a printout of the title, like Golly does, that doesn't stop fraudsters from stealing it, or simply forging another printout for themselves.
"The counterfeit title is an accurate representation... It is extremely difficult to identify the counterfeit... It is not unusual for fraudsters to have an excellent working knowledge of conveyancing procedures, and to falsely sign documents as a solicitor... fraudulent activities have, to date, invariably related to unencumbered properties..."
Your best defense is actually to keep the mortgage against your property. Then it can't be sold without the bank's permission.
A mortgaged property is a secure property.
You are complete scum. You argued they held "the original title", of which the Certificate of Title was a "copy", or "a duplicate", or "a print out".
Now you've been shown to be a complete idiot, it's "the official record".
Both the Certificate of Title, and the Register, as I have always said, are the official record.
The original Certificate of Title its inviolate. Fraudulent ones in no way supersede them.
People ego have lost their properties to scams clearly doesn't have their Certificate of Title.
If they did, they get their property back.
The CT is "the official record of ownership". You front up with it after a scam and... you are fine.
Why do you insist on informing people?
Rat
16 Jun 2017, 02:22 PM
The land titles office hold the official record. Copies can be printed, but they don't do much to protect you.
Even if you hold a printout of the title, like Golly does, that doesn't stop fraudsters from stealing it, or simply forging another printout for themselves.
"The counterfeit title is an accurate representation... It is extremely difficult to identify the counterfeit... It is not unusual for fraudsters to have an excellent working knowledge of conveyancing procedures, and to falsely sign documents as a solicitor... fraudulent activities have, to date, invariably related to unencumbered properties..."
Your best defense is actually to keep the mortgage against your property. Then it can't be sold without the bank's permission.
A mortgaged property is a secure property.
You can't help yourself. Lies and more lies.
I've bolded the bit you left out:
"The counterfeit title is an accurate representation of the form used prior to the new form of Certificate introduced in January 2004."
You also neglected to note that the problem was picked up immediately, and warnings given to all those who process or deal with CTs.
System working as designed.
Why do you keep misleading people on matters such as this you grommet.
Tyson
16 Jun 2017, 03:00 PM
I mean am I supposed to get a certificate to say the property is in my name?
Only thing I have is just lawyer documents/contracts saying the money was transferred from A to B.
I don't have a fancy certificate or anything like the one you posted. If I am supposed to have one, who was supposed to give it to me?
Yes, you should have a Certificate of Title, unless you have used it to secure a loan.
I'm not sure where you are located, and everything I've provided to date has been for nsw.
This is from Victoria:
".A Certificate of Title is a person's record of interests and rights affecting their land. The Certificate of Title is issued by the Registrar of Titles to the the person entitled to it, e.g. the registered proprietor or mortgagee.
The Certificate of Title shows the date it was created, plus all registrations and recordings made in the Register at the time. This includes the name(s) of registered proprietor(s) and other interests such as mortgages, covenants and caveats.
Registrations in the Register have a government guarantee.
Victoria’s Certificates of Title use the latest security technology and come with enhanced security features.
You are complete scum. You argued they held "the original title", of which the Certificate of Title was a "copy", or "a duplicate", or "a print out".
Now you've been shown to be a complete idiot, it's "the official record".
Both the Certificate of Title, and the Register, as I have always said, are the official record.
The original Certificate of Title its inviolate. Fraudulent ones in no way supersede them.
People ego have lost their properties to scams clearly doesn't have their Certificate of Title.
If they did, they get their property back.
The CT is "the official record of ownership". You front up with it after a scam and... you are fine.
Why do you insist on informing people? You can't help yourself. Lies and more lies.
I've bolded the bit you left out:
"The counterfeit title is an accurate representation of the form used prior to the new form of Certificate introduced in January 2004."
You also neglected to note that the problem was picked up immediately, and warnings given to all those who process or deal with CTs.
System working as designed.
Why do you keep misleading people on matters such as this you grommet. Yes, you should have a Certificate of Title, unless you have used it to secure a loan.
This impotent rage you are going through cannot be good for your blood pressure.
My only hope for my three boys is that they turn out nothing at all like Chris.
You are complete scum. You argued they held "the original title", of which the Certificate of Title was a "copy", or "a duplicate", or "a print out".
Now you've been shown to be a complete idiot, it's "the official record".
Both the Certificate of Title, and the Register, as I have always said, are the official record.
The original Certificate of Title its inviolate. Fraudulent ones in no way supersede them.
People ego have lost their properties to scams clearly doesn't have their Certificate of Title.
The CT is "the official record of ownership". You front up with it after a scam and... you are fine.
Why do you insist on informing people?
You can't help yourself. Lies and more lies.
I've bolded the bit you left out:
Why do you keep misleading people on matters such as this you grommet.
Careful Golly, you'll burst a blood vessel if you carry on like this. Holding a printout didn't save all those other unencumbered owners from having their property stolen. Whether the scammers pinched the printout from the owner, or ran off a few counterfeit printouts, who knows? But at the end of the day the houses were sold without the owner's knowledge. The safest bet is to keep a mortgage against the property.
But feel free to hurl some more abuse and rant and rave some more about your precious printout.
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