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Iron Ore busts through $90; $100 incoming, terrific news for the economy!
Topic Started: 14 Feb 2017, 10:03 AM (13,624 Views)
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Forget iron ore. It's time to buy the Euro

https://www.ft.com/content/27f45f42-edf8-11e6-ba01-119a44939bb6
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
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newjez
24 Apr 2017, 03:34 PM
Forget iron ore. It's time to buy the Euro

https://www.ft.com/content/27f45f42-edf8-11e6-ba01-119a44939bb6

Predictions for a sub $50 USD IO price next year... like all eggspurt predictions, it does not mean it will happen, but looks like it may indeed hit $50 again before it hits $100.

http://www.afr.com/business/mining/iron-ore/iron-ore-to-slide-below-us50-in-2018-says-westpacs-justin-smirk-20170424-gvrlqi


Iron ore to slide below $US50 in 2018, says Westpac's Justin Smirk

by Jasmine Ng

Iron ore is destined to retreat back below $US50 a tonne next year as supplies go on rising, according to the top forecaster, who warned that weakening prices will probably encourage the sale of inventories.

The raw material will drop to average $US62 in the third quarter and $US59 in the final three months of this year before falling through 2018 to a low of $US41, said Justin Smirk, senior economist of Westpac Banking Corp. Westpac placed first in predicting prices in the first quarter, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Iron ore was whipsawed last week after hitting a near six-month low as investors weighed signals of strength in the largest user China, including steel output at a record in March, against prospects for rising supply. Top miners including Brazil's Vale are bringing on new capacity, bolstering seaborne sales, at the same time that miners in China have been reviving production. Smirk said that there'd been a huge ramp-up in Chinese supply.

"As supply builds up and prices come off, people will begin to question the wisdom of holding on to inventories," Smirk said in a phone interview on Friday. "The signs are now pushing in one direction: while we'll get some volatility, the momentum is just on a downward trend now."

Spot ore with 62 per ent in Qingdao fell 2.5 per cent to $US66.53 a tonne on Monday following a volatile week, according to Metal Bulletin. The commodity - which hit $US94.86 in February - averaged $US86 in the first three months of 2017 and is averaging $US72.32 so far this quarter. Futures in Dalian and Singapore fell, with the SGX AsiaClear contract as much as 3.9 per cent lower.
Bears see rising downside risks

The outlook from Sydney-based Westpac - which also placed first for forecasting base metals - contrasts with Australia & New Zealand Banking Group's view prices will settle between $US70 and $US80 over the rest of this year. Many other banks are pessimistic, including Barclays, which said in a note on Monday that while iron ore may recover in the short term, it'll slump toward $US50 by the fourth quarter as fundamentals deteriorate.

Goldman Sachs attributed iron's recent drop to mills destocking, traders being forced to sell holdings as prices began to fall, as well as a decline in steel margins, according to an April 20 report. Earlier this month, the bank flagged prospects for iron ore weakness in the second half.

Among reasons cited by bears for a weaker outlook is the potential for more supply, both from mines in China and overseas. Mainland miners boosted production 16 per cent in the first three months of 2017, official data showed. In Brazil, Vale posted record first-quarter output as the world's largest shipper started exports from its $US14 billion S11D complex.

On Monday, Anglo American added to the picture of rising global production, saying output rose 21 per cent to 14.8 million tonnes in the three months to March 31. Operations at its Minas Rio project in Brazil are ramping up toward a target of 26.5 million tonnes a year, the London-based company said in a statement.
Steel slumps

Steel prices in China have been dropping, with the spot price of hot-rolled coil down almost 20 per ent this year, according to Beijing Antaike Information Development Co. "We've also seen steel prices tipped over and margins of steel mills being compressed," said Smirk. "The whole demand-driven supply shortage late last year that boosted Q1 has actually been reversed."

There are tentative signs the stockpiles of iron ore at China's ports may be starting to be sold off, according to Smirk. After peaking at 132.5 million tonnes on March 24, holdings have dropped for four weeks, the longest streak since September, according to Shanghai Steelhome E-Commerce Co.

"If inventories were unwound and dumped onto the market, there's a greater momentum for the downward side," said Smirk, who's tracked commodities for more than a decade. "That would be a very nervy sign for the market."
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http://m.chinadaily.com.cn/en/2017-04/11/content_28879507.htm

I don't know why some people were surprised by the fall.
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Who holding IO stocks? Hahaha
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Tommy
5 May 2017, 11:21 AM
Who holding IO stocks? Hahaha
Almost every super fund in Australia. Have a good chuckle Tommy you uneducated git.
My only hope for my three boys is that they turn out nothing at all like Chris.
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Matthew
5 May 2017, 12:22 PM
Almost every super fund in Australia. Have a good chuckle Tommy you uneducated git.
Even Better.......

Isn't Super considered savings by the RBA.........

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Matthew
5 May 2017, 12:22 PM
Almost every super fund in Australia. Have a good chuckle Tommy you uneducated git.
BHP, RIO...which 1 do you have? Hahaha
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Tommy
5 May 2017, 12:55 PM
BHP, RIO...which 1 do you have? Hahaha
This is what Matthew had up on his Blog before he pulled it for Obvious Reasons:
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There is an economic upswing looming. After the rationalisation in the increasingly stupid Iron Ore supply comes to fruition, there will be a spike in rare earth and precious metals construction. Outside of our borders developing nations are looking at specific stakeholders to assist in their own economic development of mining and oil and gas assets, and our own oil and gas market is still in its infancy from both a development and production perspective.



So there's a Good Chance he was loaded up on Mining Stocks.......

Yes he is a Sophisticated Investor.....so he tells himself.

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http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/iron-ore-sinks-amid-oversupply-20170505-gvyzli.html

Where's that moron barfon now, wasn't iron ore going to see the next boom boom boom

What a clown
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Simon_S
5 May 2017, 01:26 PM
This is what Matthew had up on his Blog before he pulled it for Obvious Reasons:



So there's a Good Chance he was loaded up on Mining Stocks.......

Yes he is a Sophisticated Investor.....so he tells himself.
He seems to stretch the truth a bit when pressed. I'm sure he won't own up to his blunders. He's still trying to talk up owning perth real Estate!
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