You probably didn't know that AI had beaten the grandmasters in Chess & Go, the intelligent human that programmed the AI can't even beat it.there're already programs that made more accurate diagnosis than specialist doctors (based on x-ray films)And also, AI trading on the rise... the list goes on...
Poopey how many people did it take to program and build the machine that beat a chess grandmaster?
No way. Anyone who has worked with so called "Machine Learning" systems knows that this is still a fantasy. Machines can "remember" data / state, and modify their parameters / algorithm based on how data changes, but they cannot truly "learn". They can only give the appearance of learning / adaptation within a framework that still has to conceived of and programmed by a intelligent human.
fair comment.. however true "Learning" or, indeed, original thought is not what is required for most jobs.
I can't speak for everyone, but most people work in jobs that have been vastly improved thanks to the leverage that computers offer... as this leverage ramps up, the need for the workers reduces to a point where fewer and fewer people are required... it's just how it is.
It's the ability for not just Big data, but Wide data that is interesting...
The heavily hyped, self-driving Google car? The essence of machine learning. Online recommendation offers such as those from Amazon and Netflix? Machine learning applications for everyday life. Knowing what customers are saying about you on Twitter? Machine learning combined with linguistic rule creation. Fraud detection? One of the more obvious, important uses in our world today.
popey
22 Dec 2016, 03:01 PM
You probably didn't know that AI had beaten the grandmasters in Chess & Go, the intelligent human that programmed the AI can't even beat it.there're already programs that made more accurate diagnosis than specialist doctors (based on x-ray films)And also, AI trading on the rise... the list goes on...
actually, I am witnessing this now.. amazing time to be straddling Health and ICT.
Differential Diagnosis these days done by AI is as good as it gets, as long as a good history and baseline examination is correctly done (which is the same for human diagnosis), Breast Screening diagnosis advances from AI are really amazing... to the point that I would expect over the next 5 years that the radiologist's will simply double check the AI initial diagnosis.
fair comment.. however true "Learning" or, indeed, original thought is not what is required for most jobs.
I can't speak for everyone, but most people work in jobs that have been vastly improved thanks to the leverage that computers offer... as this leverage ramps up, the need for the workers reduces to a point where fewer and fewer people are required... it's just how it is.
It's the ability for not just Big data, but Wide data that is interesting...
The heavily hyped, self-driving Google car? The essence of machine learning. Online recommendation offers such as those from Amazon and Netflix? Machine learning applications for everyday life. Knowing what customers are saying about you on Twitter? Machine learning combined with linguistic rule creation. Fraud detection? One of the more obvious, important uses in our world today.
The problem with automation is it's expensive and terrible at dealing with a dynamic environment.
In something like car assembly it's perfect, the environment is always the same and tightly controlled, each part it deals with it always the same. Try throw a robot a situation that's even slightly off from the norm and it folds very very quickly. You need to invest a lot of capital, and be prepared to a long pay back.
The number of people it takes to design and build the automation systems is irrelevant to it's impact on employment?
Let me guess, you don't want to answer because it spears the living shit out of your argument
are you being serious ?
That's like saying the use of the hammer will never catch on because it took so many people to build them in the 1st place.
Even if it takes 100 people to design, program and build the 1st AI Chess engine that can beat the best human chess player in the world ... do you really think it will take another 100 people to build the 2nd one ?
The problem with automation is it's expensive and terrible at dealing with a dynamic environment.
how do a blue collar worker like yourself ever understand the use of machines & software in a dynamic environment? That's why I stopped answering your questions... you don't even understand that once a software is built, it takes very few pple to maintain it, software only improve
The problem with automation is it's expensive and terrible at dealing with a dynamic environment.
In something like car assembly it's perfect, the environment is always the same and tightly controlled, each part it deals with it always the same. Try throw a robot a situation that's even slightly off from the norm and it folds very very quickly. You need to invest a lot of capital, and be prepared to a long pay back.
fair point.. however what makes you think that the workplace will continue to be such a dynamic environment without humans making it so ? Manufacturing and ports used to be dynamic, and has become more and more ordered as fewer humans were required.
Diagnostic equipment is mostly computerised these days.... Digital growth and fast computing has meant what took a week, now takes a min... when AI starts diagnosing images, we will have >95% instant differential diagnosis.
Capital investment is happening right now...
As for complex environments... well driverless cars are not some future dream... they will happen way before I retire.
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That's like saying the use of the hammer will never catch on because it took so many people to build them in the 1st place.
Even if it takes 100 people to design, program and build the 1st AI Chess engine that can beat the best human chess player in the world ... do you really think it will take another 100 people to build the 2nd one ?
Agreed. even if it took 100 people to build it, think about how many jobs to could replace worldwide (potentially millions like the self driving car).
I am in programming myself and have been working with the artificial intelligence libraries in Python which focus on machine learning and while I think its not quite their yet, we are making big strides and by late in the next decade you will see adoption of these technologies in Australia.
That robot is a massive jump from just a few years ago. It is a real threat to jobs & there will come to a point where the average joe will be worried by technology.
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