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Jimbo
26 Nov 2016, 07:00 PM
The initial purchase will of course involve payment.
Not only that, it'll no doubt require servicing. You also can't ignore the cost of developing your as yet non existent technology.

So once again, not free.
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Trollie
26 Nov 2016, 07:41 PM
Not only that, it'll no doubt require servicing. You also can't ignore the cost of developing your as yet non existent technology.

So once again, not free.
Like I said, I buy a device and the development cost is included in that price.

The device pays for itself after a certain period by saving me buying other forms of energy.

Add another couple of years for lifetime servicing costs.

All of the remaining years, I have free energy dolly.

The technology exists already dolly. Solar PV, Lithium batteries. Still a bit primitive but look at a 15 year old mobile phone and compare it to what you can get today.

Add together all the new innovation and technology which will happen over the next 10 to 20 years and where do you think we will be?

Slightly faster mobiles, slightly longer battery life?

Or a paradigm shift in the way we live (like the paradigm shift in the way we live which has happened in the last 20 years)?

Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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Jimbo
26 Nov 2016, 08:08 PM
Like I said, I buy a device and the development cost is included in that price.

The device pays for itself after a certain period by saving me buying other forms of energy.

Add another couple of years for lifetime servicing costs.

All of the remaining years, I have free energy dolly.

The technology exists already dolly. Solar PV, Lithium batteries. Still a bit primitive but look at a 15 year old mobile phone and compare it to what you can get today.

Add together all the new innovation and technology which will happen over the next 10 to 20 years and where do you think we will be?

Slightly faster mobiles, slightly longer battery life?

Or a paradigm shift in the way we live (like the paradigm shift in the way we live which has happened in the last 20 years)?
When I buy an investment house it's FREE because in 25 years time I keep getting rent.

Lol.
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Jimbo
26 Nov 2016, 08:08 PM
Like I said, I buy a device and the development cost is included in that price.
The research projects going into fusion are government funded so people are paying with taxes.


Jimbo
26 Nov 2016, 08:08 PM


The device pays for itself after a certain period by saving me buying other forms of energy.

Add another couple of years for lifetime servicing costs.

All of the remaining years, I have free energy
This device which isn't even working in a lab yet?

What kind of servicing costs do you think a device which creates a mini star is going to have jimbo? You are off with the fairy's.
Edited by Trollie, 27 Nov 2016, 09:27 AM.
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Trollie
27 Nov 2016, 09:26 AM
The research projects going into fusion are government funded so people are paying with taxes.
Name an Australian government funded fusion project?

But again, once the answer has been found, how much will your kids* pay for energy in the future?

Nothing maybe? Free.




*kids in your case are a crust on your underpants which died in a doomed attempt to get within 100km of a living and breathing female of any species.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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Jimbo
27 Nov 2016, 09:31 AM
Name an Australian government funded fusion project?
So now you've gone from it being free to simply someone else is paying for it. Good work jimbo.
Jimbo
27 Nov 2016, 09:31 AM
*kids in your case are a crust on your underpants which died in a doomed attempt to get within 100km of a living and breathing female of any species.
Usual classless rubbish you resort to when you're found out :lol
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Jimbo
26 Nov 2016, 03:13 PM
I have no desire for a housing crash or the economic pain that it will bring to leveraged investors. I simply saw something coming and got out of the way.


What did you see Dimshit? And can you still see it? Because prices haven't crashed and the small falls have been less than your rent over the past 28 months.

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Who is "us" matey?
I am sure I am not the only one marvelling in your hypocrisy or stupidity Dimshit.

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You mean like spending all your spare coin at the bookies and writing an insane blog?
Yes Dimshit, a more productive hobby would be to post here 7 times a day, never missing a day for two and a half years and turning A$100,000 into A$80,000 on a Pound / Barratt easy peasy candy from a baby trade wouldn't it?

You are a hypocrite of the highest order Dimshit. I expect "Do as I Say, Not As I Do" is the nightly sermon topic around the Warnbro rental plastic table over the KFC Family Feast or Maccas.
Jimbo
26 Nov 2016, 07:00 PM
But say the device saves me paying 25 cents per KWH on grid prices and it has paid for itself after two years?

How much will my energy cost me after that two year period?

Nothing dolly.

Not a red cent.

Zero.

Free.

Free energy dolly.
Assuming your system and storage is sufficient to power your energy needs when the sun isn't shining, and in winter when the sun is less plentiful. Which is unlikely to be the case.

You also assume that your Landlord will install such a system on your behalf.

Therefore no free power for you.
Edited by Matthew, 27 Nov 2016, 11:56 AM.
My only hope for my three boys is that they turn out nothing at all like Chris.
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Matthew
27 Nov 2016, 11:49 AM
What did you see Dimshit? And can you still see it? Because prices haven't crashed and the small falls have been less than your rent over the past 28 months.

I saw that Perth property and the AUD were not the places to have my money. I was proven correct and I have profited from it handsomely.

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Assuming your system and storage is sufficient to power your energy needs when the sun isn't shining, and in winter when the sun is less plentiful. Which is unlikely to be the case.
The mention of solar PV was in response to dollies claim that free energy technology didn't exist. It clearly does exist. It will also improve greatly (as all technology does) until something better comes along.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/17/mit-nuclear-fusion-record-marks-latest-step-towards-unlimited-clean-energy

With so many organisations carrying out research into fusion, can you honestly believe that this problem will not be cracked in the not too distant future?
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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Jimbo
27 Nov 2016, 07:38 PM
The mention of solar PV was in response to dollies claim that free energy technology didn't exist. It clearly does exist. It will also improve greatly (as all technology does) until something better comes along.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/17/mit-nuclear-fusion-record-marks-latest-step-towards-unlimited-clean-energy

With so many organisations carrying out research into fusion, can you honestly believe that this problem will not be cracked in the not too distant future?
All exogenous energy this planet has ever received has been free. Unless there is some kind of celestial banking system I am unaware of.

Energy is free and abundant, but ultimately, in a given time-frame, finite. Hence, Snow's law:

A given population will expand to consume the available energy.

And it's cororally :

A given population will destroy each other until the population is able to consume the available energy without contention for it.

We will probably have thorium reactors before fusion, and the energy will be so abundant and cheap that the population will explode, driving every natural ecosystem on the planet to the brink of extinction.
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27 Nov 2016, 08:17 PM
We will probably have thorium reactors before fusion, and the energy will be so abundant and cheap that the population will explode, driving every natural ecosystem on the planet to the brink of extinction.
This is the logical outcome in the longer term, but in the short to medium term, it will allow man to occupy spaces which we currently don't bother with (except to marvel at when we visit them for our holidays).

We mainly live in centralised cities because we currently have no other option. Generally built around a natural harbour or latterly a railway or main road junction.

We are constrained by the cost of energy. Free or very cheap energy allows us to transport goods at low cost. This is exactly what oil did. Oil and the internal combustion engine made the world smaller, allowed us to eat fresh fruit grown in another country, allowed us to live further away than a walk to work.

The extraction of oil takes up vast amounts of other resources (steel, land, human endeavour).

Once an alternative is found (it will be, of that I have no doubt), a lot of the worlds problems will be solved. Many will be lifted out of poverty, our options in life will grow.

Slaving away to give half of your income to someone who happened to buy a centrally located house 20 years ago will no longer be required.



Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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