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Topic Started: 16 Nov 2016, 01:41 PM (1,138 Views)
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Defense Minister Chris Pyne in announcing replacement for P3 Orion anti submarine warfare platform stated that the governments acquisition of technology like this is for the purpose of driving our economy.

I think I know what that means, but I am hoping someone here might disabuse me of such a silly thought.


NB, given this was from a live press conference on abc news 24, I doubt the statement will get picked up again, at least domestically.

Did anyone record it?
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16 Nov 2016, 01:41 PM
Defense Minister Chris Pyne in announcing replacement for P3 Orion anti submarine warfare platform stated that the governments acquisition of technology like this is for the purpose of driving our economy.

I think I know what that means, but I am hoping someone here might disabuse me of such a silly thought.


NB, given this was from a live press conference on abc news 24, I doubt the statement will get picked up again, at least domestically.

Did anyone record it?
Do you think he might mean creating construction jobs and supply opportunities for Australian business?
My only hope for my three boys is that they turn out nothing at all like Chris.
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16 Nov 2016, 01:41 PM
Defense Minister Chris Pyne in announcing replacement for P3 Orion anti submarine warfare platform stated that the governments acquisition of technology like this is for the purpose of driving our economy.

I think I know what that means, but I am hoping someone here might disabuse me of such a silly thought.


NB, given this was from a live press conference on abc news 24, I doubt the statement will get picked up again, at least domestically.

Did anyone record it?
If the government wants to drive economic I think of better ways.

One obvious way I know, is for the government to invest heavily in starting a hire firm to compete with kennards hire. Totally free for tax payers.

Invest hundreds of millions for free of charge things like mig welders, dingo mini bobcats, elevated work platforms, lifting Equipment.
Also have free use machine shops all throughout Australia. Make sure it's well stocked, it should also have a wood thicknesser, and a 5 axis mill. Have these places staffed of course. With 450 thousand god damn billion dollars of tax raised each and every freakin year, this would be a drop in the ocean.

Also free ute hire across this land. This great land.

Invest in flexible TAFE college courses, free of charge.

But no, lets burn money which won't do a bloody thing for anyone. Except defense contractors.
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16 Nov 2016, 03:06 PM
Do you think he might mean creating construction jobs and supply opportunities for Australian business?
I hope so.

But can we really expect to drive the economy by expanding and upgrading our military?

It was a very strange thing for him to say.

I just hope he was blowing smoke up his own arse.

I do know we have been trying to get a wedge into the arms race occurring in our region.

It is why we continue making out own platforms, weapons and systems.

Nomad failed.
Ikara missile launched torpedo failed (though was damn good and pick up a little bit)
Steyr is not doing so well.
The subs we spent a lot on were not taken up by others.
Wedgetail awacs is unlikely to get picked up.
Bushmaster has done better than expected
Hawkei looks damon good, but who knows how well it will be received by arms traders.

The arms race in our region has been huge for a couple of decade, but has gone into bubble territory in the last 5 years.

Maybe the Defense Minister is not telling us what he knows when he says defense will drive our economy?
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16 Nov 2016, 04:13 PM
I hope so.

But can we really expect to drive the economy by expanding and upgrading our military?
Not sure. But I spend a lot of time at the ASC / AWD in Adelaide watching people allegedly unable to build a canoe building stuff like subs and boats that look like they will float until the time comes for them to deliberately sink. And I spend a lot of time in Williamstown at Tenix watching the same. I spend a fair amount of time in Newcastle watching business building ADF related things, and I see ships in dry dock in Henderson WA being maintained by businesses like UGL and Tenix.

I spend time in Darwin around Robinson Barracks and looking at choppers flying along the coast on exercises.

Then people manning these things all get paid. Suppliers of everything from toilet paper to food to fasteners to lawn mowing grounds get paid. All people playing in the space are paid.

Without wanting to watch Chinese / Korean military parades securing our nation, its borders and contributing fairly to world peace efforts is not a bad use of national funds, in my opinion of course.
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17 Nov 2016, 12:14 AM
Not sure. But I spend a lot of time at the ASC / AWD in Adelaide watching people allegedly unable to build a canoe building stuff like subs and boats that look like they will float until the time comes for them to deliberately sink. And I spend a lot of time in Williamstown at Tenix watching the same. I spend a fair amount of time in Newcastle watching business building ADF related things, and I see ships in dry dock in Henderson WA being maintained by businesses like UGL and Tenix.

I spend time in Darwin around Robinson Barracks and looking at choppers flying along the coast on exercises.

Then people manning these things all get paid. Suppliers of everything from toilet paper to food to fasteners to lawn mowing grounds get paid. All people playing in the space are paid.

Without wanting to watch Chinese / Korean military parades securing our nation, its borders and contributing fairly to world peace efforts is not a bad use of national funds, in my opinion of course.
I take some comfort in what you say. But I reckon military spending would be a rather in-efficient way to stimulate the economy.
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17 Nov 2016, 01:38 AM
I take some comfort in what you say. But I reckon military spending would be a rather in-efficient way to stimulate the economy.
I agree, but it should not be looked at in isolation not should it be ignored.

Personally I think most of our nations infrastructure is a disgrace. There is plenty of intelligent spending that could occur around road, rail and port which would also stimulate regional economies that are boom bust.
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17 Nov 2016, 01:29 PM
I agree, but it should not be looked at in isolation not should it be ignored.

Personally I think most of our nations infrastructure is a disgrace. There is plenty of intelligent spending that could occur around road, rail and port which would also stimulate regional economies that are boom bust.
Still, the Defense Minister said defense spending would be a driver of the national economy.

That's a big claim.... and a scary thought.
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17 Nov 2016, 04:07 PM
Still, the Defense Minister said defense spending would be a driver of the national economy.

That's a big claim.... and a scary thought.
Well according to the Federal budget Defence is (excluding "Social Security & Welfare") the single largest direct spend area. Health and Education are larger, however they are spread through a plethora of sub spend groups.

Given Welfare is not going to drive the economy forward, he probably isn't too far from the mark - if the money is spent the right way

Investing in soldiers, sailors and airman probably isn't going to take the economy to the moon. But investing in asset manufacture is a good way to create direct and indirect employment. SA would be a veritable economic basket case today if not for defence construction employment.

Our defence spend per capita is less than $1,200.

The USA spend over 55% more per capita.

The only scary thing for me is that our federal government waste too much of their "income" in areas that don't generate employment or economic benefit.
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Sometimes I think defense exists simply to keep South Australia propped up.

Who thought building a transcontinental railway from Darwin to Adelaide was a good idea :wak:
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