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National Inquiry into Chinese Shit.; Non-conforming building products and quality of Ozzy hovels!
Topic Started: 22 Oct 2016, 04:00 PM (3,136 Views)
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Any bathroom fittings I get from China I throw the screws away and use my own.

Useless crap. Some sort of shit alloy they use. They go halfway in, then the screw driver takes the head off. You are then stuck. Can't get it in. Can't get it out.
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
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Trollie
22 Oct 2016, 10:11 PM
Yap yap yap Of course Mystic Jim has some yap yap yap bullshit anecdote about it. It pours from yap yap him as naturally as bullshit from a cow's asshole yap yap.
Someone should rub your nose in it you horrid little slug
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I ahve been involved with a lot of international procurement of engineered equipment over the years and have seen the Chinese market mature over this time. My experience has been that you must reinvest some of the cost saving back into surveillance checking and then the quality will be fine. If you simply find a supplier, negotiate, shake hands and leave then its pretty risky. The last time I was buying we had a $700m budget for a project and a wide array of supplier from a cross the globe. The quality problems that we had on that project were with European suppliers particularly French and Spanish that we thought would be lower risk.
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Zero is coming...

Mallard
22 Oct 2016, 04:41 PM
Mate you should be welcoming cheap imports. The only way you'll be able to build a house on a scrap of land out west is using asbestos and combustible Chinese shit. Suck it up snowflake.
Exactly, i love it,

Mix up a concrete milkshake princess
And harden the phuck up.

How can you out bid your fellow monkey with out taking some smart moves.

See you have to pay 20% more for your pile of mud and sticks than you fellow monkey can, then you get it.

And force him and his family out.

You get the prize.

The government gets extra tax because after all the property is "worth " it.
The insurance company puts its premium up.
The bank lends more money and the valuer gets his cut.

The settlement agent has a sliding scale.

The shire has to put the rates up, after all you paid more for your house.

And so it goes.

The circle is almost complete.

You see if you eat enough onions you will be poisoned.


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Bardon
23 Oct 2016, 08:15 AM
I ahve been involved with a lot of international procurement of engineered equipment over the years and have seen the Chinese market mature over this time. My experience has been that you must reinvest some of the cost saving back into surveillance checking and then the quality will be fine.
A lot of the Dongas up north were built in China at way below the cost of anything you can make here (that includes shipping from China into Freo and road transport to site).

All the big boys put inspection and management teams into the Chinese factories to ensure compliance with BCA codes and AS.

Any electrical or plumbing work had to be carried out by an Australian licensed contractor and certified before it could land in port here. These contractors were employed directly by the Chinese on big bucks and put up in fancy hotels.

Even with all the additional expense, there was still a huge cost saving over a locally sourced Donga.

Shiploaders, Ore Crushers, Conveyors. Built in China at a fraction of the cost.

This is Australias biggest problem at the moment. Our wages are too high compared with the competition just to the north of us.

Working there was a real eye opener.


Bardon
23 Oct 2016, 08:15 AM
The quality problems that we had on that project were with European suppliers particularly French and Spanish that we thought would be lower risk.
The biggest problem that WA fabricators face is the cost of compliance to client specs.

Most EPC's now apply the same level of surveillance to local suppliers as they do to a Chinese or Indian fab shop.

I speak from a vested interest standpoint, but we do nothing differently to how we did things before this intensive surveillance became the norm. But now we have to spend huge sums of money re qualifying welds, welders, paint procedures, traceability procedures etc. We also have to give up a couple of days a month to intrusive quality audits and we put more time into producing MDR's than we do into the actual fabrication process.

We did a big job for Wheatstone a while back and it took 18 months of pain to get the MDR approved. It was rejected for "incorrect" page formatting, wrong "font type", using a 3 ring binder instead of 4 ring (as buried away in some long winded 60 page documentation spec).

Nothing wrong with the content. All material certs good, all welds qualified, all testing fully compliant and the whole job completed under the scrutiny of Lloyds.



Edited by Jimbo, 23 Oct 2016, 10:59 PM.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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What are the bolts you guys are referring to actually used for in a build?
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Jimbo
23 Oct 2016, 10:43 PM


This is Australias biggest problem at the moment. Our wages are too high compared with the competition just to the north of us.

Paul Keating told us we had to compete with Asia.

We didn't and now virtually all our industry is gone, our house prices are primed to pop (leaving a significant proportion of the population underwater), and most of our possessions are cheap Chinese shit with 4 year design lives.

We'll be competing well Soon enough.

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24 Oct 2016, 09:30 AM
Paul Keating told us we had to compete with Asia.

We didn't and now virtually all our industry is gone, our house prices are primed to pop (leaving a significant proportion of the population underwater), and most of our possessions are cheap Chinese shit with 4 year design lives.

We'll be competing well Soon enough.
When the Zero Hedge yanks talk about economic collapse, they imagine a world with dugouts, booby traps, buried rations and shotguns. A Zombie apocalypse if you like. They imagine it will happen over the course of a weekend.

The reality is, that in time, we will end up living the life of the average Chinaman.

Working 70 hours a week for minimum wages which are just about enough to buy sufficient calories to keep us going for the next 70 hour minimum wage week.

It won't happen overnight either. It will be a slow process where our standard of living is eroded year by year until we tell our grandkids 30 years from now about how much better things were in the old days.

Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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Jimbo
22 Oct 2016, 11:12 PM
Just because you have never been anywhere or ever done anything, no need to get all bitter and twisted about it.

There were hundreds of us over there a few years ago. Overseeing projects, doing QC work, conducting audits.

FAST, Decmil, BV, CBI.

A great deal of the plant up north was made in factories in Guangdong and elsewhere in China. A stint up there paid well over a grand a day plus all expenses (meals, business class flights, top hotels).

While you were at home clogging up your keyboard with jizz, I was over there experiencing another culture and getting paid stupid money for doing it.
If even 1/2 of the tales you tell were true Mystic Jim you wouldn't be sweating it over your terrible brexit trade.
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Trollie
24 Oct 2016, 10:23 AM
If even 1/2 of the tales you tell were true Mystic Jim you wouldn't be sweating it over your terrible brexit trade.
I am not sweating over a theoretical paper 10k loss Dolly. Where have I ever said that I was sweating?

My USD position netted over 20 x more than I have theoretically lost on my Brexit trade.

Even my gold hedge has more than covered my theoretical Brexit trade loss.

Even if the Pound went to zero and I lost the whole $100k, I would still be hugely up on where I was when I sold in 2014 at the Perth property price peak.

It's a winner winner chicken dinner for me Dolly.








Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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