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National Inquiry into Chinese Shit.; Non-conforming building products and quality of Ozzy hovels!
Topic Started: 22 Oct 2016, 04:00 PM (3,131 Views)
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Terms of Reference
http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Non-conforming45th

On 23 June 2015, the Senate referred an inquiry into non-conforming building products to the Senate Economics References Committee for inquiry, with particular reference to:

the economic impact of non-conforming building products on the Australian building and construction industry;
the impact of non-conforming building products on:
industry supply chains, including importers, manufacturers and fabricators,
workplace safety and any associated risks,
costs passed on to customers, including any insurance and compliance costs; and
the overall quality of Australian buildings;
possible improvements to the current regulatory frameworks for ensuring that building products conform to Australian standards, with particular reference to the effectiveness of:
policing and enforcement of existing regulations,
independent verification and assessment systems,
surveillance and screening of imported building products, and
restrictions and penalties imposed on non-conforming building products; and
any other related matters.
Committee Secretariat contact:
Senate Standing Committees on Economics
PO Box 6100
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
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Mate you should be welcoming cheap imports. The only way you'll be able to build a house on a scrap of land out west is using asbestos and combustible Chinese shit. Suck it up snowflake.
Collecting desperation.
Ex-Bp Golly April 2 2015. "I see with a slight overshoot -70% [fall in Sydney house prices] as being well within possibility"
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22 Oct 2016, 04:41 PM
Mate you should be welcoming cheap imports. The only way you'll be able to build a house on a scrap of land out west is using asbestos and combustible Chinese shit. Suck it up snowflake.
nice cheap shot.

In the mean time, hospitals are being built with asbestos chinese product, and wiring is risking more homes than pink bats.... still, as long as you got your cheap shot in, that's what counts :re:

Some builders are very cautious about buying any Chinese bolts... regardless of claimed Grade marking, there are too many fakes out there, and failure can be catastrophic.

I really hope this senate committee makes a difference
Submissions:
http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Non-conforming_products/Submissions

Edited by Rastus2, 22 Oct 2016, 05:01 PM.
Shadow - Defrauded his Bank ? 2015 I have 9 different loans and my bank had no idea which ones were personal and which were investment. They had half of them classed incorrectly. When this change came in they asked me to tell them if any personal loans were incorrectly classed as investment, which I did, and they switched them to personal for the lower rate. They also had a couple of investment loans incorrectly classed as personal. They didn't ask me about those. So they stay on the lower rate too. Worked out pretty well. :)
Shadow - 2008 Sydney Median House Price 1.25M by 2014-2015

Shadow : I think this boom has already begun in several cities. My prediction :
Peak of boom: 2014-2015. Sydney Median Price: $1,250,000 Bottom of bust: 2017-2018. Sydney Median Price: $1,100,000

Shadow's Original 2010 House Boom and Crash prediction http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/shady-orig-2010-chart.png.html?sort=3&o=0

Shadow's attempt to edit his 2010 chart in 2015 and replace it with one that does not show a crash in 2013 http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-06%20at%207.12.52%20pm_1.png.html
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22 Oct 2016, 04:41 PM
Mate you should be welcoming cheap imports. The only way you'll be able to build a house on a scrap of land out west is using asbestos and combustible Chinese shit. Suck it up snowflake.
All those expensive houses, all that cheapo material they are built with. Really, it's as funny as fuc Little Flurry.


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22 Oct 2016, 04:59 PM
Some builders are very cautious about buying any Chinese bolts... regardless of claimed Grade marking, there are too many fakes out there, and failure can be catastrophic.
I worked on a project in China which used M20 bolts in the lifting arrangement. The Chinese contractor had acquired these bolts from an approved supplier complete with full material and testing certs.

I arranged to have some independently tested back in Perth and they turned out to be nothing like what they were supposed to be.

The steel they were made from wouldn't have been good enough to make a Dinky toy out of and they sheared at around 75% of their rated loading. The certs were genuine but they didn't apply to the bolts supplied.

I hit the contractor with an NCR and the client insisted they foot the bill for German made, client supplied bolts. Cost them a bloody fortune in the end.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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22 Oct 2016, 09:11 PM
I worked on a project in China which used M20 bolts in the lifting arrangement. The Chinese contractor had acquired these bolts from an approved supplier complete with full material and testing certs.

I arranged to have some independently tested back in Perth and they turned out to be nothing like what they were supposed to be.

The steel they were made from wouldn't have been good enough to make a Dinky toy out of and they sheared at around 75% of their rated loading. The certs were genuine but they didn't apply to the bolts supplied.

I hit the contractor with an NCR and the client insisted they foot the bill for German made, client supplied bolts. Cost them a bloody fortune in the end.
Of course Mystic Jim has some bullshit anecdote about it. It pours from him as naturally as bullshit from a cow's asshole.
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22 Oct 2016, 10:11 PM
Of course Mystic Jim has some bullshit anecdote about it. It pours from him as naturally as bullshit from a cow's asshole.
Just because you have never been anywhere or ever done anything, no need to get all bitter and twisted about it.

There were hundreds of us over there a few years ago. Overseeing projects, doing QC work, conducting audits.

FAST, Decmil, BV, CBI.

A great deal of the plant up north was made in factories in Guangdong and elsewhere in China. A stint up there paid well over a grand a day plus all expenses (meals, business class flights, top hotels).

While you were at home clogging up your keyboard with jizz, I was over there experiencing another culture and getting paid stupid money for doing it.

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Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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When I was working as a fitter 6 or 7 years ago we had a similar issue with some 8.8 structural bolts. Supposed to be rated for 800mpa and they were failing below 600.
There are some people who seem angry and continuously look for conflict.
Walk away, the battle they are fighting isn't with you, it's with themselves.

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The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. ~ Thomas Sowell.

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Yes, even a lot of the conforming products may meet a basic standard, but they are often not the best quality. I'm finding this out the hard way, doing a house Reno using Bunning's crap. Trouble is, Bunning's has virtually cornered the market. The public only wants to pay for shit, so I have to accept shit too.

It's a bit like the government, if the public votes for it, if I don't like it, tough luck because I don't get a choice.

The few places left who do sell good shit, need to charge an arm and a leg for it, due to low volumes.
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23 Oct 2016, 12:29 AM
When I was working as a fitter 6 or 7 years ago we had a similar issue with some 8.8 structural bolts. Supposed to be rated for 800mpa and they were failing below 600.
That's where they make their big savings over and above labour costs.

To the eye, a sheet of PT490 is no different to a sheet of common or garden mild steel.

Over here, we rely on certificates for traceability back to the melt and any supplier trying to rort the system is out of business overnight.

Over there, they don't really give a shit about where the steel comes from or what it will do. As long as they can produce a bit of paper which states it's ridgy didge, who gives a rats?

A lot of Australian QC's were bought out with big nights on the town and accepted the paperwork on face value.

Proud to say I was not one of them.

I can't begin to tell you about the temptations which were laid before me.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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