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China Hits Record High M&A Investments In Western Firms

According to a recent report by the Mergermarket Group, China had already surpassed its yearly record for outbound M&A investment by the end of August. With 173 deals worth $128.7 billion in the books, China is so far the top acquirer of foreign companies in 2016 — a position which, if held until the end of year, could unseat the USA for the first time since 2006.

“China has seen continuous annual growth in both outbound deal size and deal volume in the recent ten years,” said Yiqing Wang, Mergermarket’s China editor. “However, 2015 and 2016 have witnessed [an] even more aggressive growth spree.”

In addition to being numerous, many of China’s takeovers of Western companies this year have also been huge. ChemChina acquired the Swiss pesticide and seed producer Syngenta AG for $43 billion — the largest overseas acquisition by a Chinese company to date. Tencent took over Supercell, the Finnish mobile game developer, for $8.6 billion. Zhongwang International bought out U.S. aluminum producer Aleris for $2.3 billion. HNA Group purchased Ingram Micro Inc for $6.3 billion. Haier Group paid $5.4 billion for General Electric’s home appliance division. While even the Chicago Stock Exchange hasn’t remained off the radar of Chinese investors.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/09/10/from-made-in-china-to-owned-by-china-chinese-enterprises-buying-up-western-companies-at-record-pace/#34a7a5e81387
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Jon Snow
22 Sep 2016, 09:53 PM

That's what backward agrarian peasants invest their money into. You need a really big crisis for people to make the leap out of peasant mentality.
If you're so clever why didn't you buy a house then?
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Trollie
23 Sep 2016, 01:40 PM
If you're so clever why didn't you buy a house then?
The answer is in your question.
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Jon Snow
23 Sep 2016, 09:13 PM
The answer is in your question.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAH

That is some funny shit right there.....

Thanks for the laugh John.
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Jon Snow
23 Sep 2016, 09:13 PM
The answer is in your question.
I think the question should have been "Mister if you're so smart why ain't you rich?"
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Rufus
24 Sep 2016, 09:10 AM
I think the question should have been "Mister if you're so smart why ain't you rich?"
The continued weakness of all of the Panda Bears argument like Jon Snow and the reason that they have to continually reschedule its coming demise is that they tend to judge China by their narrow western standard viewpoint coupled with their existing misguided bear bias. Take all the recent hoopla that was created about ghost cities as a classic example of barking up the wrong tree.

In the west an investor might buy large swathes of land and bank it, whereas in China you must develop when you buy. The developer will have been paid, the workers employed and the state revenues will have been collected. If the property does not sell it will be knocked down and replaced with newer product. Its as simple as that and it works because the local government, the banks and the private enterprises are all run by the Communist Party. China only started classifying non performing loans as such so that it could join the WTO in 2001, they dont actually think they are non performing far from it credit creation is for stimulus not for loan servicing and what a powerful weapon it is.
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Bardon
24 Sep 2016, 10:12 AM
Its as simple as that and it works because the local government, the banks and the private enterprises are all run by the Communist Party.
Hmmmm.............Wonder why Russia couldn't pull itself out of its Crises. Seems it was a Communist country too.
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Bardon
24 Sep 2016, 10:12 AM
The continued weakness of all of the Panda Bears argument like Jon Snow and the reason that they have to continually reschedule its coming demise is that they tend to judge China by their narrow western standard viewpoint coupled with their existing misguided bear bias. Take all the recent hoopla that was created about ghost cities as a classic example of barking up the wrong tree.

In the west an investor might buy large swathes of land and bank it, whereas in China you must develop when you buy. The developer will have been paid, the workers employed and the state revenues will have been collected. If the property does not sell it will be knocked down and replaced with newer product. Its as simple as that and it works because the local government, the banks and the private enterprises are all run by the Communist Party. China only started classifying non performing loans as such so that it could join the WTO in 2001, they dont actually think they are non performing far from it credit creation is for stimulus not for loan servicing and what a powerful weapon it is.
That may determine the timing, and why bears have timed this so badly, but not the end result.
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
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newjez
24 Sep 2016, 04:08 PM
That may determine the timing, and why bears have timed this so badly, but not the end result.
The end result is always the same and ends in a slump, no mater what the ideology.

The cycle trumps politics and the New Silk Road wont be built in a day.


The New Trade Routes: Silk Road Corridor
One belt, one road
A ribbon of road, rail and energy projects to help increase trade
SEPTEMBER 14, 2016 by Jack Farchy, James Kynge, Chris Campbell and David Blood

China’s “One Belt, One Road” project aims to make central Asia more connected to the world, yet even before the initiative was formally announced China had helped to redraw the energy map of the region. It had built an oil pipeline from Kazakhstan, a gas pipeline that allowed Turkmenistan to break its dependence on dealings with Russia and another pipeline that has increased the flow of Russian oil to China.

Chinese companies have funded and built roads, bridges and tunnels across the region. A ribbon of fresh projects, such as the Khorgos “dry port” on the Kazakh-Chinese border and a railway link connecting Kazakhstan with Iran, is helping increase trade across central Asia.

China is not the only investor in central Asian connectivity. Multilateral financial institutions, such as the Asian Development Bank, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development and the World Bank have long been investing in the region’s infrastructure. The Kazakh government has its own $9bn stimulus plan, directing money from its sovereign wealth fund to infrastructure investment. Other countries, including Turkey, the US, and the EU have also made improving Eurasian connectivity a part of their foreign policy.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/special-reports/one-belt-one-road/
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Simon_S
24 Sep 2016, 10:41 AM
Hmmmm.............Wonder why Russia couldn't pull itself out of its Crises. Seems it was a Communist country too.
Do you ever read the news. Current events, trade sanctions, things like that.
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