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The Sydney All Dwelling Index is teetering on 1M
Topic Started: 10 May 2016, 05:47 PM (9,343 Views)
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Rufus
10 May 2016, 05:47 PM
If only we had the Shadow here to tell us when the Sydney all dwellings index will hit $1M.

It was $955 at the end of April and just 10 later it's registering $979

At that rate it could reach $1M by the end of the May.

http://www.corelogic.com.au/research/daily-indices.html

It was just $915 a short time ago.

Amazing.
I agree, ponzis/ Bubbles are amazing.
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Khaderbhai
10 May 2016, 06:59 PM
It's all based on the same data - i.e. RP Data's portfolio.

Anyway, it's fun to look back at the Sydney Auction Results thread and note all the members, and several mystery guests, who predicted exactly this price growth result several months ago, based on the auction results. At the time you said it was impossible for them to make such predictions ("regression blah blah blah").

But make predictions they did. And their predictions were right.

The fact that they did it, proves that it's possible to make accurate predictions without running linear regressions.

Or in other words, you were wrong again.

I wonder how much money some of those people made on the back of their excellent forecasting ability?

Did you make much money during the same period by faffing around with linear regressions?
The "portfolio" is not the All Dwelling Index.

As for predictions, I can say the Bronocs will win. I may be even be able to "predict" the margin.

I can't say the clearance rate is a predictor of an index because I'm not a fraud.
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Terry
10 May 2016, 07:22 PM
The "portfolio" is not the All Dwelling Index.
The index is based on a portfolio.

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I can't say the clearance rate is a predictor of an index because I'm not a fraud.
Smarter people than you have been successfully using clearance rates as a predictor for many years, and making lots of money as a result.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others suffer from the same limitations.
Edited by Khaderbhai, 10 May 2016, 07:32 PM.
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Khaderbhai
10 May 2016, 07:30 PM
The index is based on a portfolio.


Smarter people than you have been successfully using clearance rates as a predictor for many years, and making lots of money as a result.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others suffer from the same limitations.
That's as clever as saying an index is based on a collection of data points.

People have been making money playing poker too. Some have belief systems that they believe, even if they are based on little more than faith and hope.
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Rufus
10 May 2016, 07:03 PM
That's quite true, but the house price index shown in the monthly data almost mirrors the median house price, so it's a de facto median price of sorts.

http://www.corelogic.com.au/research/monthly-indices.html
Not really.

Core logic reported the Sydney Median Dwelling Price at 30th April 2016 as $780,000.

http://www.corelogic.com.au/news/home-values-in-australia-continue-to-rise-as-rental-yields-slip-to-new-record-lows

On 30th April 2016 the Core logic Sydney all dwellings index was 955.29.

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Strindberg
10 May 2016, 07:38 PM
Not really.

Core logic reported the Sydney Median Dwelling Price at 30th April 2016 as $780,000.

http://www.corelogic.com.au/news/home-values-in-australia-continue-to-rise-as-rental-yields-slip-to-new-record-lows

On 30th April 2016 the Core logic Sydney all dwellings index was 955.29.

Thread title is wrong.
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Terry
10 May 2016, 07:36 PM
That's as clever as saying an index is based on a collection of data points.
Both are true statements. What's your point?

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People have been making money playing poker too. Some have belief systems that they believe, even if they are based on little more than faith and hope.
Yeah right, the strong correlation between auction results and house prices, that has existed forever (since auction results were first collected), is just a random coincidence. Auction results and house price growth have mirrored each other for several decades due to sheer luck. :re:

The fact that you truly believe nonsense like that is why you fail so badly when it comes to the housing market.
Edited by Khaderbhai, 10 May 2016, 07:45 PM.
Banks can't repossess your home simply because the market value falls. Australia's Consumer Credit Code says consumers aren't liable for things ordinarily outside their control and can't be held to obligations that could only be met by selling their home. Click for details.

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The Sydney All Dwelling Index is teetering on 1M


'Teetering on' WTF?

Surely you mean 'rocketing towards'.
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John Frum
10 May 2016, 07:51 PM


'Teetering on' WTF?

Surely you mean 'rocketing towards'.
OK I'll go with "rocketing towards" just to please you.

Have you updated your call. Why not go for something heroic.
Edited by Rufus, 10 May 2016, 07:54 PM.
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Khaderbhai
10 May 2016, 07:44 PM
Both are true statements. What's your point?


Yeah right, the strong correlation between auction results and house prices, that has existed forever (since auction results were first collected), is just a random coincidence. Auction results and house price growth have mirrored each other for several decades due to sheer luck. :re:

The fact that you truly believe nonsense like that is why you fail so badly when it comes to the housing market.
There are probably correlations between many things "house price related" and house prices that have a strong R2 or stronger fit than clearance rates.

Doesn't make them predictors.

Furthermore, I have recently shown 10 weeks of statistically lower clearance rates among lower volumes. What does it mean? I don't know and I'm sure as hell know that the suburbanites don't know either. Who knows? It could turn out to be an important indicator of something.

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