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Owners with a mortgage pay smallest proportion of income on housing costs since records began
Topic Started: 17 Oct 2015, 05:49 PM (3,535 Views)
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Strindberg
17 Oct 2015, 05:49 PM
Housing is currently clearly more affordable now (well, in 2013-14, the latest data) to Australian households with a mortgage than at any time since before 1994.

ABS Release
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/079986D30C7AA15BCA257EDF007FE4E0/$File/41300do001_201314.xls


Table 2 ALL HOUSEHOLDS, Housing costs as a proportion of gross household income by selected household characteristics

Owner with a mortgage

1994–95 18%
1995–96 19%
1996–97 19%
1997–98 18%
1999–00 17%
2000–01 17%
2002–03 17%
2003–04 18%
2005–06 19%
2007–08 18%
2009–10 18%
2011–12 18%
2013–14 16%

This is especially striking as we know that real income has increased greatly since 1994. So households now spend a smaller proportion of an even larger income on housing.
Not "clearly more affordable" at all.
With the massive level of interest only mortgages, this shows housing has never been more expensive.

Nice try though lol.

BTW the correct terminology for people with mortgages is "home owers" not "home owners".
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17 Oct 2015, 09:29 PM
previously, a single income family could afford to purchase a home. Now, a double income family is required to purchase
Single income families still can and do purchase homes.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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17 Oct 2015, 09:59 PM

It's not about being sexist, Herbie.

I think you miss my point.

With women women working in paid work, the quality of the entire families life should rise to reflect it, not simply the price of houses.
And women should be receiving equal pay.

While the family suffers and housing costs more than double as a proportion of family income- family income doesn't double because the wife works.

'The Man' has turned our wives into wage slaves.
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17 Oct 2015, 10:14 PM
Well standards of living have risen - Across the board generally quite a lot I'm told?

Quality of living?
We're ranked first in the world on the OECD Quality of Life Index, and second on the UN Human Development Index.

Also, we have the highest median wealth per adult in the world.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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18 Oct 2015, 07:30 AM
We're ranked first in the world on the OECD Quality of Life Index, and second on the UN Human Development Index.

Also, we have the highest median wealth per adult in the world.
It's an outcome of having so few people spread so far apart.

All those communicable diseases that fail to thrive here lift up quality of life incredibly.

Imagine what our result would be if we could clean up those mosquito ridden swamps like Rockhampton and Redland/ Morton's Bay.
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Ex BP Golly
18 Oct 2015, 07:28 AM
And women should be receiving equal pay.

I think that women are still underpaid at the lower end, but not so at higher end. I have quite a few female clients who earn $150K and above, and they earn more than their husbands, even though their husbands are also high income earners.

I'm amazed at some of the salary packages out there. Households with a combined income in excess of $250K are not as rare as one would think.
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18 Oct 2015, 07:30 AM
We're ranked first in the world on the OECD Quality of Life Index, and second on the UN Human Development Index.

Also, we have the highest median wealth per adult in the world.

That index (OECD Quality of Life Index) was launched in 2011. Where is the benchmark for prior to when the 2nd family member started working ?

I have never said that Australia was alone in diverting much of the additional income generated from the 2nd person working in the household towards higher house prices.

I have said that much of the financial benefits of having a 2nd person in the household now in the workforce has been diverted to mortgages which skews any claim of houses being more affordable.


The ABS data is not particularly helpful to extract what strindberg is claiming...



When (gross) household income is used as a measurement of affordability, the unaccounted for variable is the human hours of work required to achieve that income. i.e.. are there 1, 2 or 3 people in that household required to work (full/part time) in order to keep that proportion at the level it sat in 1994 ?i.e.
Will houses still be as affordable if, to keep that quoted proportion of gross household income, children at the age of 10 must also start working ?


A better measure would be, perhaps, average (median ?) weekly household Per Person (PP) income... so if Mom works full time and Dad works full time, the household PP income reflects a full time worker, and if Mom works part time, and Dad works full time, the household PP income reflects that altered situation.

That would actually reflect better the additional hours invested in the workforce for the household and how that reflects in

It may show that little has changed (indeed, looking @ the single income cohort of the abs spreadsheet strindberg supplied, it implies for that particular group, the proportion has only risen very slightly)... however, it might also show things are not quite as
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Peak of boom: 2014-2015. Sydney Median Price: $1,250,000 Bottom of bust: 2017-2018. Sydney Median Price: $1,100,000

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18 Oct 2015, 08:07 AM
That index (OECD Quality of Life Index) was launched in 2011. Where is the benchmark for prior to when the 2nd family member started working ?
I don't think Australia would have been any higher than 1st place prior to 2011.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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peter fraser
18 Oct 2015, 07:56 AM
I think that women are still underpaid at the lower end, but not so at higher end. I have quite a few female clients who earn $150K and above, and they earn more than their husbands, even though their husbands are also high income earners.

I'm amazed at some of the salary packages out there. Households with a combined income in excess of $250K are not as rare as one would think.
As my wife's package is above your highest figure, and she earns more than me, I know that Peter.

But that doesn't take away from the reality that the majority of women have been rorted and abused by our economy for, as usual, the benefit of old grey men in suits.

You know......your response made you sound like a grey man in a suit.
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18 Oct 2015, 08:29 AM
As my wife's package is above your highest figure, and she earns more than me, I know that Peter.

But that doesn't take away from the reality that the majority of women have been rorted and abused by our economy for, as usual, the benefit of old grey men in suits.

You know......your response made you sound like a grey man in a suit.
sounds like you married well, and yes I do own a suit - somewhere.
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