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Russian ‘boots on the ground’ in Syria
Topic Started: 6 Sep 2015, 09:28 PM (2,710 Views)
lulldapull
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For the disinformed, current battle map of 'Syraq'............:

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Iraqi army in Purple (Iranian allied)

Syrian Government in Pink (Iranian Allied)

Kurds in Yellow (Iranian Allied)

Hezbollah in blue (Iranian Allied)

ISIS in Grey (CIA/ Mossad proxy)

FSA in Green (CIA/ Mossad proxy)

Nusra/ AQ in White (CIA/ Mossad proxy)

Lebanese Government in Orange.
Mike
8 Sep 2015, 03:05 PM



So you think the US created ISIS and is directly supporting it as it supports US interests in the region.

So how does slaughtering the Kurds long time US allies support US interests.

How dose supporting ISIS which as basically wiped out the moderate rebels which the US was supplying and training.

I take it the US sends it own people over there just to get beheaded to be a great PR scoop.

All the 4500 troops it lost during the Iraq war to now just hand it over to ISIS.
The US withdrew all its forces from Iraq for a reason, the middle east is now of little strategic importance. The US has plenty of oil under its own feet, hence why they are not committing large forces to fight ISIS.

Why do the Iranian nuclear deal, it serves US interest as Iran is no real threat to the US. Saudi Arabia military budget dwarfs Iran. Iran is a military minnow compared to the US and its allies. Look how well Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have done against ISIS, all three of them have had there butts handed to them.

I like how Iran and Iraq claimed a large offensive was under way months ago to retake Ramadi after ISIS stormed it, so far all I have seen is Iranian militia supported by the Revolutionary guard getting hammered all over Iraq.

The US would not have got involved vs ISIS if it was not for the senseless slaughter of civilians. It serves no US interest, the US wants to refocus all of its military might to the pacific where the future lies, not some backwater in the middle east. The middle east is becoming irrelevant as the world no longer relies solely on its oil.

How about the moon landing....got any theories on that one or UFO's
You idiot, keep pretending not knowing the obvious:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-us-helped-create-al-qaeda-and-isis/
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lulldapull
8 Sep 2015, 03:22 PM
For the disinformed, current battle map of 'Syraq'............:

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Iraqi army in Purple (Iranian allied)

Syrian Government in Pink (Iranian Allied)

Kurds in Yellow (Iranian Allied)

Hezbollah in blue (Iranian Allied)

ISIS in Grey (CIA/ Mossad proxy)

FSA in Green (CIA/ Mossad proxy)

Nusra/ AQ in White (CIA/ Mossad proxy)

Lebanese Government in Orange.

You idiot, keep pretending not knowing the obvious:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-us-helped-create-al-qaeda-and-isis/
Iraq is also a US allied and Iranian.

Hezbollah is not just an Iranian allied but a terrorist organisation and Revolutionary Guard Proxy.

Syrian Government is an Iranian allied and proxy which uses chemical weapons on its own population.

The map you used is not accurate, ISIS controls far more of Iraq to the south right up to Baghdad. ISIS has been defeating Iranian backed forces around Fallujah and to the north of Baghdad.

Kurds are US allies as well.

Mossad, please you turn everything into a Jewish conspiracy. Who are you a proxy for the Revolutionary Guard.


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Bhuwahahhaa :lol .........you are wrong again because you get your news from CNN and BBC, like a typical ignorant buffoon. :lol

time for a reality check mike. Here I'll post this here so you understand why Iran is ascendant and why the bogus nuke deal was hurriedly concluded to the chagrin of doofuss's like you:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-would-consult-iran-over-syria-air-strikes-julie-bishop-20150826-gj8hx1.html

:lol
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Mike
8 Sep 2015, 03:05 PM



So you think the US created ISIS and is directly supporting it as it supports US interests in the region.

So how does slaughtering the Kurds long time US allies support US interests.

How dose supporting ISIS which as basically wiped out the moderate rebels which the US was supplying and training.

I take it the US sends it own people over there just to get beheaded to be a great PR scoop.

All the 4500 troops it lost during the Iraq war to now just hand it over to ISIS.
The US withdrew all its forces from Iraq for a reason, the middle east is now of little strategic importance. The US has plenty of oil under its own feet, hence why they are not committing large forces to fight ISIS.

Why do the Iranian nuclear deal, it serves US interest as Iran is no real threat to the US. Saudi Arabia military budget dwarfs Iran. Iran is a military minnow compared to the US and its allies. Look how well Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have done against ISIS, all three of them have had there butts handed to them.

I like how Iran and Iraq claimed a large offensive was under way months ago to retake Ramadi after ISIS stormed it, so far all I have seen is Iranian militia supported by the Revolutionary guard getting hammered all over Iraq.

The US would not have got involved vs ISIS if it was not for the senseless slaughter of civilians. It serves no US interest, the US wants to refocus all of its military might to the pacific where the future lies, not some backwater in the middle east. The middle east is becoming irrelevant as the world no longer relies solely on its oil.

How about the moon landing....got any theories on that one or UFO's
I agree with this, but if you consider Israel's position it is a different story.

Israel has effectively been abandoned by the US due to less dependence on oil.

It would be in Israel's interests to fund Isis. Doubt they control them, but I suspect they fund them.
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newjez
8 Sep 2015, 06:02 PM
I agree with this, but if you consider Israel's position it is a different story.

Israel has effectively been abandoned by the US due to less dependence on oil.

It would be in Israel's interests to fund Isis. Doubt they control them, but I suspect they fund them.
I'm not so sure about that. Look at it from Israel's point of view.

Why support an organisation that is taking control of large parts of Syria and Iraq with the aim of becoming a superstate. Instead of facing Syria which is far weaker then Israel militarily, it now faces the prospect of being encircled by ISIS on all sides if things continue to go as they are.

The far more plausible reason is many former Iraqi Generals now control ISIS with a core of fighters battle hardened from fighting the US in Iraq from 2003 till 2010. This is why ISIS has swept the floor with most opposition due to its military experience/training and nothing compares to actual combat. Here is a core group who have been fighting since 2003 (12 years). No other group in the area can compete with them.

Combine this training, experience with their brutal tactics and it is a powerful force.

The rumour I would believe has more truth to it is ISIS was funded and helped by Turkey. Turkey has wanted the excuse to go into Northern Syria and Iraq to deal with the Kurds for along time. Turkey also has the twin aim of redrawing the map of the middle east. Keep in mind it was only 100 years ago that the Ottoman empire dominated the Middle East, many Turks including the current president would like nothing more then to recreate the Caliphate, is that not what ISIS is doing.

If I was the US or Russia I would not intervene on the ground as this is primarily a civil war between Sunni and Shia for domination of the region. Like the US could not win in Vietnam as the population was prepared to fight as long as needed. To the Vietnamese the US was just another foreign invader in the long line of them on their way to independence and unification. Similar to the middle east, let them fight it out as nothing will really stop the end result, just the more the outside world interfere the higher the body count and longer the wars.

Russia and the US should stay out of it, except for trying to degrade ISIS from range. Between the Gulf nations, Iran, Turkey and Egypt you have over 2,000,000 active duty soldiers with powerful militaries. Time the middle east cleaned up its own backyard.

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9 Sep 2015, 11:44 AM
I'm not so sure about that. Look at it from Israel's point of view.

Why support an organisation that is taking control of large parts of Syria and Iraq with the aim of becoming a superstate. Instead of facing Syria which is far weaker then Israel militarily, it now faces the prospect of being encircled by ISIS on all sides if things continue to go as they are.

The far more plausible reason is many former Iraqi Generals now control ISIS with a core of fighters battle hardened from fighting the US in Iraq from 2003 till 2010. This is why ISIS has swept the floor with most opposition due to its military experience/training and nothing compares to actual combat. Here is a core group who have been fighting since 2003 (12 years). No other group in the area can compete with them.

Combine this training, experience with their brutal tactics and it is a powerful force.

The rumour I would believe has more truth to it is ISIS was funded and helped by Turkey. Turkey has wanted the excuse to go into Northern Syria and Iraq to deal with the Kurds for along time. Turkey also has the twin aim of redrawing the map of the middle east. Keep in mind it was only 100 years ago that the Ottoman empire dominated the Middle East, many Turks including the current president would like nothing more then to recreate the Caliphate, is that not what ISIS is doing.

If I was the US or Russia I would not intervene on the ground as this is primarily a civil war between Sunni and Shia for domination of the region. Like the US could not win in Vietnam as the population was prepared to fight as long as needed. To the Vietnamese the US was just another foreign invader in the long line of them on their way to independence and unification. Similar to the middle east, let them fight it out as nothing will really stop the end result, just the more the outside world interfere the higher the body count and longer the wars.

Russia and the US should stay out of it, except for trying to degrade ISIS from range. Between the Gulf nations, Iran, Turkey and Egypt you have over 2,000,000 active duty soldiers with powerful militaries. Time the middle east cleaned up its own backyard.
Buffer zone. Why aren't Isis even remotely interested in Israel?
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Mike
7 Sep 2015, 10:56 AM
Twice? The US did not occupy Iraq in the first Gulf War. Allied forces spent a few days in southern Iraq wiping out the Iraqi Army as they retreated from Kuwait. Allied forces then pulled back to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
Exactly. The US bailed out too early to achieve any lasting good on both occasions.

The first time, it was like a virgin's premature ejaculation: the conquest was quick and easy, but the would-be stud couldn't wait to get out of the bedroom, boasting to his friends while leaving the nasty authoritarian parents to deal with the girl.

In Iraq (I), the US occupied Iraqi territory just long enough to make gullible allies -- e.g. "swamp" Shias in the Basra delta -- feel they had cover (and promises of support) to resist Saddam Hussein, before the US bailed.

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Bulgaria Bars Syria-Bound Russian Planes as NATO Fears Grow

Bulgaria said Tuesday it had refused permission for Russian aircraft to cross its airspace last week as concern grows among NATO members that Moscow is boosting military aid to Syria's Bashar al-Assad.

It followed news that Washington had asked Greece to bar Russian supply flights over its territory, triggering an incredulous response from Moscow.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg reiterated concerns that increased Russian involvement could deepen the Syrian conflict that has already claimed nearly 250,000 lives and triggered a massive outflow of refugees, tens of thousands of whom are seeking protection in Europe.

"I am concerned by reports that Russia may have deployed military personnel and aircraft to Syria," Stoltenberg said in a public question and answer session on his Facebook page, in response to a question submitted by AFP.

Bulgaria said it had received reports that the Russian planes were carrying arms.

"The cargo was declared as humanitarian aid but the foreign ministry had information that it was not humanitarian aid but some kind of weaponry," said Defence Minister Nikolay Nenchev on local TV station bTV.

He said the information likely came from "our foreign intelligence services".

Foreign ministry spokeswoman Betina Zhoteva told AFP the decision was taken "absolutely independently" without pressure from NATO partners.

"The planes were said to carry humanitarian aid but we had information -- that we had every reason to trust -- that the declared cargo was not the real one," she said.

Greece, also a NATO member, confirmed on Monday it received a request from Washington to prevent two Russian planes flying through its airspace between September 1 and 24.

Speaking to AFP on Tuesday, a Greek government spokesperson said Russia had first requested use of its airspace "25 days ago" but had later decided to use an alternative route.

Asked if Athens would refuse permission for Russian overflights in future, the spokesperson said the situation was "delicate" but that Russia would likely avoid using the route.



'On Their Conscience'



Nonetheless, on Tuesday Moscow demanded answers from Greece and Bulgaria.

"If anyone -- in this case our Greek and Bulgarian partners -- has any doubts, then they of course should explain what the problem is all about," deputy foreign minister Mikhail Bogdanov told Interfax news agency.

"We explain where our planes are flying to, and what their purpose and their cargo is. We've never had any problems before," he added.

Bogdanov reiterated Moscow's official position, stressing that the only Russian military personnel currently in Syria were there to train the local army.

"Our partners -- representatives of the Syrian armed forces -- need some help and guidance," he said.

He denied Russia had any plans to boost its presence in the war-torn country and turn its naval facility at the Syrian port of Tartus into a fully-fledged base.

"We do not have such plans," he said.

Some Russian officials saw Washington's hand in Bulgaria's decision.

"The fact that the Bulgarians are the first to respond (to the request from Washington) -- they will have that on their conscience," said Vladimir Djabarov, vice-president of the Russian foreign affairs council.

He told state press agency TASS that Russia was only supplying "humanitarian cargo" to Syria, saying it was "not profitable to transport weapons by plane".

Djabarov also dismissed the importance of using Greek airspace, saying that the majority of flights to Syria went via the Caucasus and Iran.


The US is just forcing Russia to use the long route to Syria which costs more and takes a longer time. Plus the plans then need to fly over Iraq and territory held by ISIS through airspace controlled by the US. The US can monitor exactly what is coming in via air.
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