Twice? The US did not occupy Iraq in the first Gulf War. Allied forces spent a few days in southern Iraq wiping out the Iraqi Army as they retreated from Kuwait. Allied forces then pulled back to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The US has been supplying the rebels with "non lethal" supplies for the last 2 years. Via Saudi Arabia and other gulf nations direct offensive/defensive weapons are being supplied. Ever wonder how the Syrian Rebels ended up with US made TOW anti-tank missiles which have been kicking the crap out of Assad's armoured formations, what's left of them.
So if Russia sends it own ground forces into action it may lose soldiers to US made and supplied weapons to the rebels. Russia cannot claim retrospectively that the US has increased its support as these weapons have been supplied long prior to any direct Russian involvement.
Why Russia is concerned is ISIS took control of southern districts in Damascus over the past week, meaning the Capital of Syria could fall into ISIS hands over the coming weeks or months or at least fought over by ISIS and the Rebels with Government forces withdrawing to traditional Alwaite areas which is Assad's main support base, this is closer to the coast. Government forces are close to collapse so the Russian involvement is to help Assad sure up his military position.
Here lies the main issue. If Russia was deploying forces to fight ISIS, I don't think to many nations would be concerned and welcome it. However by fighting against the Rebels who want a new government and no one that uses the military on its own population or chemical weapons against civilians. Assad made a mistake early on by using the military to put down the protesters which for weeks had been peaceful, by killing protesters it unleashed the civil war in a region flooded with battle harden population from the wars in Iraq. I actually think Assad was surprised how ineffective his military one of the strongest in the region was, even with the help of Hezbollah and Iran. Now Russia wants to help directly.
The Russians will fail. If the ground troop commitment is real, as at present it seems far to small to be of any real use. Russia could just be reinforcing the troops it already keeps at Tartus naval base which the Russian Navy use to resupply in the Mediterranean.
I would think with how events are going in the Ukraine and the state of the Russian economy currently in Recession, the last thing Russian needs is another draining adventure overseas.
It's starting to make the Vietnam war look uncomplicated.
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
Twice? The US did not occupy Iraq in the first Gulf War. Allied forces spent a few days in southern Iraq wiping out the Iraqi Army as they retreated from Kuwait. Allied forces then pulled back to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The US has been supplying the rebels with "non lethal" supplies for the last 2 years. Via Saudi Arabia and other gulf nations direct offensive/defensive weapons are being supplied. Ever wonder how the Syrian Rebels ended up with US made TOW anti-tank missiles which have been kicking the crap out of Assad's armoured formations, what's left of them.
So if Russia sends it own ground forces into action it may lose soldiers to US made and supplied weapons to the rebels. Russia cannot claim retrospectively that the US has increased its support as these weapons have been supplied long prior to any direct Russian involvement.
Why Russia is concerned is ISIS took control of southern districts in Damascus over the past week, meaning the Capital of Syria could fall into ISIS hands over the coming weeks or months or at least fought over by ISIS and the Rebels with Government forces withdrawing to traditional Alwaite areas which is Assad's main support base, this is closer to the coast. Government forces are close to collapse so the Russian involvement is to help Assad sure up his military position.
Here lies the main issue. If Russia was deploying forces to fight ISIS, I don't think to many nations would be concerned and welcome it. However by fighting against the Rebels who want a new government and no one that uses the military on its own population or chemical weapons against civilians. Assad made a mistake early on by using the military to put down the protesters which for weeks had been peaceful, by killing protesters it unleashed the civil war in a region flooded with battle harden population from the wars in Iraq. I actually think Assad was surprised how ineffective his military one of the strongest in the region was, even with the help of Hezbollah and Iran. Now Russia wants to help directly.
The Russians will fail. If the ground troop commitment is real, as at present it seems far to small to be of any real use. Russia could just be reinforcing the troops it already keeps at Tartus naval base which the Russian Navy use to resupply in the Mediterranean.
I would think with how events are going in the Ukraine and the state of the Russian economy currently in Recession, the last thing Russian needs is another draining adventure overseas.
You are full of shit as usual.
ISIS which is a U.S. proxy is being and will be defeated by the Iranians.
you have been told a number of times before NJ that these terrorist outfits are all U.S. proxies. They only serve U.S. interests. A vassal has no say in what he does or why he does. He just gets told.
you have been told a number of times before NJ that these terrorist outfits are all U.S. proxies. They only serve U.S. interests. A vassal has no say in what he does or why he does. He just gets told.
Either you are in denial, or are just another propaganda front like the pussy ass Aussie gubment....... Does as told..........
So which one are you dummy?
By now, every man and his dog knows that who is behind ISIS or for that matter Al Qaeda or Al Nusra or the FSA. It's always been the same people!
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these terrorist outfits are all U.S. proxies
So you think the US created ISIS and is directly supporting it as it supports US interests in the region.
So how does slaughtering the Kurds long time US allies support US interests.
How dose supporting ISIS which as basically wiped out the moderate rebels which the US was supplying and training.
I take it the US sends it own people over there just to get beheaded to be a great PR scoop.
All the 4500 troops it lost during the Iraq war to now just hand it over to ISIS. The US withdrew all its forces from Iraq for a reason, the middle east is now of little strategic importance. The US has plenty of oil under its own feet, hence why they are not committing large forces to fight ISIS.
Why do the Iranian nuclear deal, it serves US interest as Iran is no real threat to the US. Saudi Arabia military budget dwarfs Iran. Iran is a military minnow compared to the US and its allies. Look how well Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have done against ISIS, all three of them have had there butts handed to them.
I like how Iran and Iraq claimed a large offensive was under way months ago to retake Ramadi after ISIS stormed it, so far all I have seen is Iranian militia supported by the Revolutionary guard getting hammered all over Iraq.
The US would not have got involved vs ISIS if it was not for the senseless slaughter of civilians. It serves no US interest, the US wants to refocus all of its military might to the pacific where the future lies, not some backwater in the middle east. The middle east is becoming irrelevant as the world no longer relies solely on its oil.
How about the moon landing....got any theories on that one or UFO's
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