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newjez
1 Dec 2015, 09:03 PM
Why would we do that. China is still rising.

This is simply their plan in action. The authorities want China to have less reliance on manufacturing and transition to more service related industries.

You're not seeing a collapse in China, but a rebirth as they have long planned.
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China growth slides to worst year since 1990

Official rate of 6.8%.

As expected. China's main customers are in poor shape. It was eventually going to catch up with China.
Common sense is a curse - those who have it need to suffer dealing with those who don't have it.

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12 Jan 2016, 09:19 AM


You're not seeing a collapse in China, but a rebirth as they have long planned.
Nope! China's problem is unlike the US they don't control world trade and finance. To win they must work on being less detestable than the US, which ain't going to happen.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!!
You are no longer customer, you are property!!!

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China manufacturing PMI report due noon today. :oo: Get it ready Gossamer!



Bonus article: http://www.reuters.com/article/china-stocks-margin-idUSL3N15C2AJ

Margin calls a fresh threat for China's battered stock markets
Markets | Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:27am EST Related: STOCKS, BONDS, MARKETS, FINANCIALS
SHANGHAI | BY SAMUEL SHEN AND NATHANIEL TAPLIN

Jan 29 Chinese companies may be forced to sell at least $12 billion in shares in coming weeks to meet margin calls, dealing a further blow to stock markets which have already seen some $2 trillion in value wiped out so far this year.

Some companies that had pledged shares as collateral for loans are now faced with a stark choice - dump them under pressure from impatient brokers and banks and book a loss, or stump up fresh cash or other assets to make up for the difference in value.

If that wasn't enough to dash hopes that China's markets will soon claw back from 14-month lows, fresh selling pressure is coming from mutual funds and hedge funds which are liquidating positions as shell-shocked investors race to withdraw what cash they have left.

All that is leading to a vicious cycle where further share price drops are likely to trigger more margin calls and threaten further forced sales.

"Over half of all listed companies in China have their shares pledged, so if the market falls further, this issue could become a systemic risk," said David Dai, a Shanghai-based investor director at Nanhai Fund Management Co.

Some analysts had already believed that the Shanghai Composite Index could fall another 6 percent to test the psychologically important 2,500-point level, where its stunning but eventually short-lived rally took off late last year.

"If the market continues to fall, equity pledging-related selling pressure could increase significantly," said Gao Ting, head of China strategy with UBS Securities.

"When a position has to be closed for transactions using floating shares as collateral, the pledger sells on the secondary market, putting further pressure on the stock market."

On Thursday, trading in shares of Maoye Communication and Network Co Ltd was halted after it said it received notice that its controlling shareholder faces margin calls, one of at least eight companies that have made similar announcements so far this year.

In a stock exchange filing, it said it would announce measures soon to deal with the issue. The stock has lost 45 percent of its value in the last month.

Given the 25 percent slide in shares within weeks, the total number of such companies in similar straits is likely to be much higher, but they do not have to report margin calls.

According to UBS, over 1,350 Chinese listed companies have entered into transactions involving equity pledging since 2015. As of Tuesday, 155-to-214 stocks had hit position-closing levels, with pledged shares in question worth about 79 billion yuan to 85.7 billion yuan ($12-13 billion).

UBS estimates that pledged shares facing margin calls could triple if the market falls a further 10 percent.

VICIOUS CYCLE

In the more transparent margin lending business at brokerages, where investors borrow money to buy stocks, the pressure is already obvious.

As the market tumbles, outstanding margin loans have declined for 20 sessions in a row - the longest such streak on record - with over 100 billion yuan worth of leveraged bets have been unwound this month alone.

But with such loans still at an estimated 913 billion yuan, there's plenty of room for more deleveraging, and more downward pressure on markets, which could trigger fresh margin calls.

"There's obviously more room for deleveraging, but no one knows what is the appropriate level of leverage," said Wang Yu, analyst at Pacific Securities.

China's securities regulator has tried to downplay margin risks this year, saying in January that risks from margin calls were controllable, and the market impact limited. But a flurry of reassurances from authorities in recent weeks on everything from stock markets to the yuan currency and the slowing economy has done little to calm the nation's panicky investors.

FUNDS FLEE

Another source of risk is coming from the fund industry, where many products face potential liquidation as investors keep cutting exposure to riskier assets.

The latest data from Shenzhen Rongzhi Investment Consultant Co shows that of the 5,566 hedge fund products it tracks, 781 have lost more than 20 percent of their net value (NAV) since launch, while 342 have lost more than 30 percent.

"The real situation could be much worse, because many hedge funds have chosen not to disclose their NAV," said Li Shu, Rongzhi's analyst.

With most hedge funds having set a loss of 25-30 percent as the liquidation line, "there is real pressure on the market, because fund managers would be forced to liquidate their stock holdings."

So far this year, about 125 hedge fund products have been liquidated, according to Rongzhi.

Mainland stock funds saw their assets under management (AUM) slump nearly 90 percent in the June-December period, which saw the worst of the market rout, to 765.7 billion yuan.

"Further slides would accelerate the stampede," said Tian Weidong, analyst at Kaiyuan Securities. ($1 = 6.5744 Chinese yuan)

(Reporting by Samuel Shen, Nathaniel Taplin and Pete Sweeney; Editing by Kim Coghill)

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China is still rising.


China PMI contracts again

Might want to rethink that statement.
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1 Feb 2016, 02:29 PM


China PMI contracts again

Might want to rethink that statement.
Black kitty won't because he's a steadfast China "bulliever" for the simple reason that China invented fireworks 1000 years ago.

I mean, if a "superior" race of people can invent fireworks, they must be capable of being top economic and political dog in the modern world and trump the "barbarians" amirite? :wak:
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1 Feb 2016, 02:29 PM


China PMI contracts again

Might want to rethink that statement.
The statement is correct. Manufacturing in China isn't growing but the broader economy is.

Funny error for a guy who claims to be a Macro guy.
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Rufus
1 Feb 2016, 04:40 PM
The statement is correct. Manufacturing in China isn't growing but the broader economy is.

Funny error for a guy who claims to be a Macro guy.
Well, according to the Chinese it is.
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The statement is correct. Manufacturing in China isn't growing but the broader economy is.

Funny error for a guy who claims to be a Macro guy.


China GDP

Look at that trend! Hah and even with all that QE it continues to trend down.

So what does the PMI say about the rest of the global economy?

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1 Feb 2016, 06:27 PM


China GDP

Look at that trend! Hah and even with all that QE it continues to trend down.

So what does the PMI say about the rest of the global economy?
Consumer sales are growing at a very high speed, and China has announced that she will continue use deficit spending to stimulate the economy and ramp it up a notch.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/more-fiscal-stimulus-credit-negative-for-china-moodys/articleshow/50742056.cms
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