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Leodwald of Portsburgh
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TheTruth
27 Dec 2014, 03:05 PM
So you believe race defines where people should be allowed to live.

This means you shouldn't be in Australia.
He's not a race. He's a mongrel with a sub 60 IQ and quite proud of it.

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26 Dec 2014, 10:05 PM
Everyone of your posts is evidence of your racism and white supremacy. Now you're running scared because you've been called out you weak prick. Your inane ramblings are proof enough. Bring it on pussy.
You're an idiot flossy. There is nothing wrong with loving your own culture and wanting to preserve it, nothing odd about one culture feeling suspicous than another. It's a natural evolutionary trait, it's what allowed tribes to survive attacks from neighbouring tribes for millennia.

If you think all that is going to be driven out of the human species because of a few proclamations and laws of government you are truly naive. It's only in the anglosphere where this is taught BTW. Back in Russia where I was born they haven't even heard of multiculturalism, in Japan where I lived for many years they laugh at it. It's basically the white western nations trying to placate all the races they exploited over the past few centuries.

"Lets all be friends now and forget about how we raped and murdered your ancestors. Forget about all that slave labour thing and come over here and have a dole cheque." :lol
They don't buy it, and neither should you. Watch your back now.
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Leodwald of Portsburgh
27 Dec 2014, 03:12 PM
He's not a race. He's a mongrel with a sub 60 IQ and quite proud of it.
Why make such bold statements like race determining if you should stay in a country, then back away from it?

Because your belly yellow, you coward.
roberto
27 Dec 2014, 03:26 PM
You're an idiot flossy. There is nothing wrong with loving your own culture and wanting to preserve it, nothing odd about one culture feeling suspicous than another. It's a natural evolutionary trait, it's what allowed tribes to survive attacks from neighbouring tribes for millennia.

If you think all that is going to be driven out of the human species because of a few proclamations and laws of government you are truly naive. It's only in the anglosphere where this is taught BTW. Back in Russia where I was born they haven't even heard of multiculturalism, in Japan where I lived for many years they laugh at it. It's basically the white western nations trying to placate all the races they exploited over the past few centuries.

"Lets all be friends now and forget about how we raped and murdered your ancestors. Forget about all that slave labour thing and come over here and have a dole cheque." :lol
They don't buy it, and neither should you. Watch your back now.
Being a racist piece of shit like you and Leo isn't genetic, it's taught. Probably by your bogan half witted parents who hold the same views.

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27 Dec 2014, 03:28 PM
Why make such bold statements like race determining if you should stay in a country
We would not want to deprive ourselves of the opportunity to make love to beautiful, exotic foreign women. They have a richness, a depth, a beauty rarely found in Australian women. And it saves the price of an airfare if they come here. We need to get this debate back on track again: what is a reasonable numerical target for Australia's peak population?
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27 Dec 2014, 03:43 PM
We need to get this debate back on track again: what is a reasonable numerical target for Australia's peak population?
Pretty funny when moron like Leo huff and puff about it hitting 50 million. He'd be fine with it being 50 million white people i'm sure.

Australia has a huge land mass and is rich in resources, there's no reason it can't go to 100 million in the next 100 years and we all be better off for it.
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26 Dec 2014, 11:39 PM
Bumped for the 2nd time.

Leodwald of Portsburgh
21 Dec 2014, 01:30 PM
So at least tell me the benefits of multiculturalism using some quantifiable metric and not the usual multiculturalist fluff - 'vibrant' and 'diverse'. Tell me the benefits to the average Australian. I'm open to changing my mind if someone can show me the benefits of multiculturalism out weigh the harm it does to my fellow Australians and my country, until then I see it as displacing and replacing our lineages and ethnicity in our own land. A folly of historical proportions.

A Lurker posted:

"Studies conducted in several United States cities by Florida (2002) and Saxenian (2011) found that this intermingling of different skills and perspectives has a positive correlation with business, technological and cultural innovation. They also found that immigrant entrepreneurs play a vital role in directing trade and investment through their home countries, thereby increasing cross-cultural markets, and directly improving the economy of their country of settlement.

An Access Economics Fiscal Impact Model, commissioned by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, examines the impact of migration on the Commonwealth budget. Its 2009-10 figures show that the net economic contribution of around $880 million in the first year of arrival will rise to about $1-2 billion after 10 years. This demonstrates that as immigrants settle into their new home their capacity to build our economic prosperity increases.

This effect is supplemented by findings that the second generation of migrants has, on average, a higher educational attainment, higher employment and lower unemployment rates than the children of Australian-born parents. Furthermore, 49% of all persons holding higher degrees were born overseas.

These findings underline the distinct immigration trend over the last two to three decades of more skilled and highly educated migrants entering Australia. In part, this has been because the need for unskilled labour that was seen as imperative for nation building in the post-war years has diminished. Those migrants who did enter Australia in that post-war period, however, made an indisputable contribution to the infrastructure development of NSW which has helped fuel economic growth from that time forward.

The current preference for skilled migration has also helped to somewhat immunise the economy against the Global Financial Crisis. Between June 2008 and June 2010, recent migrants accounted for 63% of job growth during that period with 79.3% workforce participation rates for those who had arrived within the six months prior, compared to 65.3% for the national average. Skilled migrants averaged 95% participation."

From a paper "The Economic Advantages of Cultural Diversity in Australia" link here

To believe a glossy pro-multicultural brochure published by a pro-multicultural government and their agency would be naive.

Just perusing the first few pages I found this little gem :
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Recent thinking on the advantages of cultural diversity
Recent thinking on the advantages of cultural diversity has turned away from earlier studies by economists
seeking to measure and quantify the economic impact of immigration on various countries. Those former
efforts (as reviewed, for example, by Professor Mark Wooden 1994, Chapter 3) concluded that immigration
had conferred (probably small) economic benefits on Australia. This result flowed from detailed quantitative
aggregate analysis of economic supply and demand effects of immigration and their interaction.
Later contributions, however, have eschewed attempts at close aggregate quantification, declaring that, even
though direct measurement is problematic, the economic benefits of cultural diversity through immigration
are considerable.


FFS, if I am reading this correctly "detailed quantitative aggregate analysis of economic supply and demand effects of immigration" didn't give them the answer they wanted so they abandoned it and simply proclaimed "economic benefits of cultural diversity through immigration are considerable" What a scam.


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"Studies conducted in several United States cities by Florida (2002) and Saxenian (2011) found that this intermingling of different skills and perspectives has a positive correlation with business, technological and cultural innovation. They also found that immigrant entrepreneurs play a vital role in directing trade and investment through their home countries, thereby increasing cross-cultural markets, and directly improving the economy of their country of settlement.


Well firstly where is the quantifiable metric? Anyone can just say shit like this. The brochure you posted lacks proper citations making it very hard to fact check and frankly, for this forum, not worth my time. What about the disadvantages of multicultural workplace?

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc0301/article_208.shtml
"In Australia the policy of multiculturalism is more than just a description of ethnic diversity. It is a policy supported by substantial government spending and regulation of society, including the restriction of public debate. Over the last fifteen years there has been a systematic attempt by sections of the Federal and State Governments in Australia first to hide, then to distort, the real costs of multiculturalism. While the precise magnitude of these costs is unknown they are quite clearly considerable, with direct costs likely to be on the order of A$7.5 billion, or 5 percent of GDP.
Despite receiving hundreds of millions of dollars each year, the multicultural lobby has been unable to show even one economic benefit for Australia. Australia's poorly run immigration program is clearly contrary to the interests of all Australians. While English language training should be retained, the policy of multiculturalism should be abandoned immediately. There should be a public inquiry, possibly a royal commission, into the costs and benefits of multiculturalism."


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An Access Economics Fiscal Impact Model, commissioned by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, examines the impact of migration on the Commonwealth budget. Its 2009-10 figures show that the net economic contribution of around $880 million in the first year of arrival will rise to about $1-2 billion after 10 years. This demonstrates that as immigrants settle into their new home their capacity to build our economic prosperity increases.


Well firstly this refers to immigration and not multiculturalism. I am not against a modest immigration program as long as the immigrants are willing to assimilate.

Secondly,
http://www.ethnic.ndo.co.uk/guardindex.htm

"It is obvious to the average headless chicken that immigration brings economic growth. The more people in the country, the larger the country's total output, other things being equal. Expand the population by X%, and you'll get extra "economic growth" of about X%. At least that's what you get assuming immigrants are as productive as natives."
"Well "economic growth" is good isnt it ? No - fraid not. Economic growth is of no use whatever to natives unless it brings increased output per head. And there is little evidence that immigration brings this."

Just for lol's:

"And this site is nowhere near the first the point out the nonsense behind the "economic growth" argument. Hundreds of others have pointed it out, but to little avail: the pro-immigration thickos, time wasters, liars and ignoramuses continue to repeat the "economic growth" argument.
Another nonsensical element to the "economic growth" argument is thus. The argument no more proves the case for migration from country A to country B than it does for migration the other way.
Now suppose one of the above two countries is developed and the other is less developed. There is just as much to be said for migration from the developed to the less developed country as there is for migration the other way. In the former case, technologically sophisticated folk from the developed country might be able to raise the technological competence and thus the living standards of the less developed country. And as for migration from undeveloped to developed countries, immigrants can send part of their earnings home, which alleviates poverty is less developed countries. But liberals almost invariably laud the latter form of migration, not the former. Often as not, they not they are not bothered about denuding the poorest countries of the latter's best talents.

The above is just one of the many strands of evidence on this and the companion site on multiculturalism, that liberals are motivated by a desire to appear original and controversial by attacking or diluting their own culture."


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This effect is supplemented by findings that the second generation of migrants has, on average, a higher educational attainment, higher employment and lower unemployment rates than the children of Australian-born parents. Furthermore, 49% of all persons holding higher degrees were born overseas.


Well firstly this refers to immigration and not multiculturalism. And secondly, this benefits Australians how?


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These findings underline the distinct immigration trend over the last two to three decades of more skilled and highly educated migrants entering Australia. In part, this has been because the need for unskilled labour that was seen as imperative for nation building in the post-war years has diminished. Those migrants who did enter Australia in that post-war period, however, made an indisputable contribution to the infrastructure development of NSW which has helped fuel economic growth from that time forward.


Well firstly this refers to immigration and not multiculturalism. And secondly, this benefits Australians how? It just means more competition for skilled jobs. Why is poaching skilled workers from other countries rather than train our own people seen as a benefit to Australians?

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The current preference for skilled migration has also helped to somewhat immunise the economy against the Global Financial Crisis. Between June 2008 and June 2010, recent migrants accounted for 63% of job growth during that period with 79.3% workforce participation rates for those who had arrived within the six months prior, compared to 65.3% for the national average. Skilled migrants averaged 95% participation."


Well firstly this refers to immigration and not multiculturalism. And secondly, this benefits Australians how? It just means more competition for skilled jobs. Why is poaching skilled workers from other countries rather than train our own people seen as a benefit to Australians?

Where is the proof of this statement " skilled migration has also helped to somewhat immunise the economy against the Global Financial Crisis" It just sounds F absurd. Didn't we throw billions of our national treasure at the Global Financial Crisis? But somehow we have to thank skilled immigrants for it now? What B S








TheTruth
27 Dec 2014, 03:28 PM
Why make such bold statements like race determining if you should stay in a country, then back away from it?

Because your belly yellow, you coward.



I see you're unfamiliar with the concept of irony. You really are a hate filled little man aren't you?
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27 Dec 2014, 03:26 PM
You're an idiot flossy. There is nothing wrong with loving your own culture and wanting to preserve it, nothing odd about one culture feeling suspicous than another. It's a natural evolutionary trait, it's what allowed tribes to survive attacks from neighbouring tribes for millennia.

If you think all that is going to be driven out of the human species because of a few proclamations and laws of government you are truly naive. It's only in the anglosphere where this is taught BTW. Back in Russia where I was born they haven't even heard of multiculturalism, in Japan where I lived for many years they laugh at it. It's basically the white western nations trying to placate all the races they exploited over the past few centuries.

"Lets all be friends now and forget about how we raped and murdered your ancestors. Forget about all that slave labour thing and come over here and have a dole cheque." :lol
They don't buy it, and neither should you. Watch your back now.
This is not the Middle Ages you dumb fucker. Justifying your hatred for others through a 'love of culture'. Hey, I love my cricket and the beach as much as anyone, but there's not a lot of cultural depth to Australia. You're kidding yourself comparing us to the Russians or the Japanese. My Australia has been culturally diverse since 1788 and I fully support keeping it that way. I wonder why so 99% of top high school results are achieved by students with non-Anglo surnames. A great example of the merits of multiculturalism at work. Paranoid fuckers like BeN find this threatening, just like he was scared when they out did him at uni. Me, I see it as a great opportunity. Bland fuckers like BeN only ever eat meat and 3 veg and fuck blue eyed women. Me, I enjoy the tastes of the world. If this makes me stupid then throw me in sheltered workshop mother fuckers. Just keep those exotic flavones coming. I'm not in the least bit worried for mine or my families future. My family is culturally diverse. A shame you are so frightened by those swarthy foreigners that you can't enjoy life. Life must be hell for you and bennyboy. Good luck with that.
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27 Dec 2014, 06:20 PM
This is not the Middle Ages you dumb fucker. Justifying your hatred for others through a 'love of culture'. Hey, I love my cricket and the beach as much as anyone, but there's not a lot of cultural depth to Australia. You're kidding yourself comparing us to the Russians or the Japanese. My Australia has been culturally diverse since 1788 and I fully support keeping it that way. I wonder why so 99% of top high school results are achieved by students with non-Anglo surnames. A great example of the merits of multiculturalism at work. Paranoid fuckers like BeN find this threatening, just like he was scared when they out did him at uni. Me, I see it as a great opportunity. Bland fuckers like BeN only ever eat meat and 3 veg and fuck blue eyed women. Me, I enjoy the tastes of the world. If this makes me stupid then throw me in sheltered workshop mother fuckers. Just keep those exotic flavones coming. I'm not in the least bit worried for mine or my families future. My family is culturally diverse. A shame you are so frightened by those swarthy foreigners that you can't enjoy life. Life must be hell for you and bennyboy. Good luck with that.


F you're a freak. Australia has no culture according to idiot so full steam ahead wiping out our national identity, our lineages and our ethnicity. Not surprising identity and ethnicity means nothing to you.

The depth of our civilisation goes back thousands of years. Those that settled Australia did not "step off the boat" as some primitive Man, with just some sort of Stone Age civilisation; they arrived here bearing within them thousands of years of European heritage and civilisation. Australian culture was formed using British culture as its basis. The natural procession of cultural formations explains the mechanics and existence of Australian culture, but in no way negates the remaining fact: Australia processes a distinct and unique national culture of its own.

The school system has embraced learning by rote because it is easy to assess. It requires hard work and is extremely tedious and does not suit western temperament, especially boys. Rote learning has a long history in China:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination




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27 Dec 2014, 05:11 PM
I see you're unfamiliar with the concept of irony. You really are a hate filled little man aren't you?
I'm familiar with it, but your failings are not ironic.

I'm not the one posting on the internet referring to other human beings as "mongrels" based on idea's of racial purity. I'm pretty confident i'm not the one who's hate filled.
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27 Dec 2014, 05:11 PM
To believe a glossy pro-multicultural brochure published by a pro-multicultural government and their agency would be naive.





Well firstly this refers to immigration and not multiculturalism. And secondly, this benefits Australians how?
Ok so you don't like the linked report. Fair enough. Cutting through it. It is fact that on the whole, immigrants to Australia and their children have a higher workforce participation rate, higher median earnings and better wage growth than the Australain born group. The linked report points this out and there are many other references to this on the web. It is irrefutable.

Accordingly, these immigrants contribute more to taxes and reduce the burden of all tax payers. They effectively are paying more than 'their' share of welfare, pensions and govt services. This benefits all Australians. immigrants have built some of Australia's biggest companies (and biggest employers) and many CEOs of Australia's leading companies are immigrants.

Leaders of innovation and technology companies welcome diversity of backgrounds in their leadership groups as it is demonstrable that this diversity leads to greater corporate success and profits. There is also plenty of references to this concept throughout the web.

On your immigrants vs multicultural point, I'm assuming you just want to choose immigrants that should be allowed to come here that fit within your value set. There is a word for that. Having said that, the government does this as well. People from certain countries get special treatment, also certain professions, ages and other criteria. This is a form of discrimination that the government has decided is acceptable.

The concept of multiculturalism is really just a positioning selling point to (attempt) to encourage the best immigrants to come here - you can come here and be welcomed and keep your traditions (subject to certain caveats). In reality it's mostly BS as once here the overwhelming majority live the same as everyone else regardless of when you or your antecedents stepped off the boat or plane. House in the suburbs, work 9-5, buy crap from Kmart down the local Westfield, mow the lawns on Saturday and may or may not go the local place of worship on Sunday (usually not). They have to abide by Australian laws, speed limits and manners, particularly if they want to succeed, which most do.

Multiculturalism is not some evil it's just marketing.

There are dishonest, violent and mentally disturbed people of every race, religion, stripe and football team fans in Australia. The press just like an angle when they report on their deeds. The uneducated public lap it up as it fits their neat stereotypes. The OP is a perfect example and the police even bought into it in this situation. Once they knew who this was (which they would have done in the first hour), ie, a serial pest, sexual offender, murder suspect and publicity hound, the police should have been straight though the door and shot him. It would have lead the news that night but all of this locking down half the CBD and the US and UK waking up to terrorist siege BS could have been avoided. That's what I would have told them if they called me but unfortunately they don't.


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