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Leodwald of Portsburgh
21 Dec 2014, 10:37 AM
Here's a cut and paste from the answer I gave to newjez about 2pages back. Try to keep up.

Multiculturalism in Australia can be dated to the mid 1970's when the relentless efforts of the ungrateful refugee, Walter Lippmann began to gain traction within political circles. The ungrateful Lippmann deeply resented the assimilated culture of the Australia that had granted him safe harbour and found Australian expectation to assimilate as oppressive and that is all multiculturalism has ever been - immigrant refusal to integrate and insistence on maintaining their own culture on these shores while enjoying the fruits of our society and demanding that we, the host culture, pick up the tab for it. It really took off under the watch of the drunken idiot everyman Rhodes scholar, Hawke in what he described as a triumph of 'principle over populism'. Now you only need to look at what he does now to see he wouldn't know a principle if he tripped over it and the last time I checked populism was the very definition of democracy. Mass immigration really took off on Howards' watch and this endless debate we have about refugees is a smokescreen to distract Australians from what is coming through the front door and he has admitted as much.
Multiculturalism really goes back to the first convicts transported here. They contained Irish political prisoners. Of course to the Aboriiginals all of them were immigrants.

It really stepped up in the immediate post WW2 years when a lot of Europeans were attracted to our shores after their terrible period of war.

Frankly it's been a stunning success no matter what idiots like you think.
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21 Dec 2014, 03:08 AM
F all flowers for the blacks in the boondocks as them getting topped simply doesn't attract as much mainstream interest (potential advertising revenue) as more mainstream types getting popped whilst lining up to drink their cafe lattes in Sydvegas does mayhaps Blondie?

Not sure why anyone would be surprised by that particular media 'n democratically elected voter driven gov type response? ... Such is Life???
When it involves one thing horrendous like a mass slaughter of kids it should deserve media attention ..yes it's gets less deserving attention if it's not someone rich & pretty.
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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peter fraser
21 Dec 2014, 01:03 PM
Multiculturalism really goes back to the first convicts transported here. They contained Irish political prisoners. Of course to the Aboriiginals all of them were immigrants.

It really stepped up in the immediate post WW2 years when a lot of Europeans were attracted to our shores after their terrible period of war.

Frankly it's been a stunning success no matter what idiots like you think.
Multiculturalism does not go back to the first convicts transported here. Multiculturalism was not even a gleam in some nation destroyers eye in 1788. Australia had an assimilation culture until well into the 1980's. i.e. an immigrant was expected to accept the host culture and make efforts to integrate, in other words, as it should be if you want to build a nation with a cohesive society.

European's, willing to integrate, migrating to a western based society is not multiculturalism.

As to the aboriginals, do you think that once Australia's largely unprotected resources were known about every country in the world would have left a bunch of tribal hunter gatherers in peace because it is the nice thing to do? If you don't the only question left is who you would have preferred to colonise Australia?

A stunning success by what measure? Monday at Martin Place? Tell me the benefits of multiculturalism using some quantifiable metric and not the usual multiculturalist fluff - 'vibrant' and 'diverse'. Tell me the benefits to the average Australian. A few ethnic restaurants? Big F deal.

We are also coming off an unprecedented period of prosperity. Anyone can see that tensions will rise when the grass turns brown and life becomes more of a scramble for resources.

This celebrating the demise of your own lineage and ethnicity in your own country really is a disease. It is truly historically laughable but it has become so psychologically entrenched that it is now becoming a real threat to the continued existence of western civilisation.



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Leodwald of Portsburgh
21 Dec 2014, 02:12 PM
Multiculturalism does not go back to the first convicts transported here. Multiculturalism was not even a gleam in some nation destroyers eye in 1788. Australia had an assimilation culture until well into the 1980's. i.e. an immigrant was expected to accept the host culture and make efforts to integrate, in other words, as it should be if you want to build a nation with a cohesive society.

European's, willing to integrate, migrating to a western based society is not multiculturalism.

As to the aboriginals, do you think that once Australia's largely unprotected resources were known about every country in the world would have left a bunch of tribal hunter gatherers in peace because it is the nice thing to do? If you don't the only question left is who you would have preferred to colonise Australia?

A stunning success by what measure? Monday at Martin Place? Tell me the benefits of multiculturalism using some quantifiable metric and not the usual multiculturalist fluff - 'vibrant' and 'diverse'. Tell me the benefits to the average Australian. A few ethnic restaurants? Big F deal.

We are also coming off an unprecedented period of prosperity. Anyone can see that tensions will rise when the grass turns brown and life becomes more of a scramble for resources.

This celebrating the demise of your own lineage and ethnicity in your own country really is a disease. It is truly historically laughable but it has become so entrenched and widespread that it is now becoming a real threat to the continued existence of western civilisation.


As you know Leo I accept that you are entitled to your views no matter how much I disagree with them.

Is it not reasonable of me to hold my own views and expect you to accept that my views don't align with yours?

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There's been multiculturalism of the fashion industry ..particularly in the last 10 yrs there's been noticeable changes in the models not being white blondes or brunettes.

When I first started out, that's what was involved, in this work one is employed for your looks & it's in their best interest to look flawless as possible, so I made the effort to do the things in det, exercise, & deportment to promote myself. But despite my efforts I received blunt feedback of glitches I had little power..sometimes "I was too tall" "my jaw too strong" ..or blonde looks were not suitable to what's marketed. I know I put myself up for critism for that type of work & you learn to toughen up, unless you've hit super model status you are out quickly by early twenties.

Over the years the looks have become very varied, I sometimes don't agree with what particular model has been promoted with certain products & marketing strategies, but it's controlled by the $$$ and the contracts . I do believe there's been overt political correctness in a certain number of other than the white brunette & blondes that were the main players.

But that's fashion, the nature of the market is changing ..
I've been happy to see some of the indigenous types from WA make their way in & they've promoted swim wear.

But ones needs to go to the beach & really look at the types of pople who enjoy the beach & understand who should be modeling the beach wear...

I'm Not for doing things just for PC purposes.
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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Leodwald of Portsburgh
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peter fraser
21 Dec 2014, 02:18 PM
As you know Leo I accept that you are entitled to your views no matter how much I disagree with them.

Is it not reasonable of me to hold my own views and expect you to accept that my views don't align with yours?

So at least tell me the benefits of multiculturalism using some quantifiable metric and not the usual multiculturalist fluff - 'vibrant' and 'diverse'. Tell me the benefits to the average Australian. I'm open to changing my mind if someone can show me the benefits of multiculturalism out weigh the harm it does to my fellow Australians and my country, until then I see it as displacing and replacing our lineages and ethnicity in our own land. A folly of historical proportions.
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21 Dec 2014, 12:46 PM
Australia is headed the same way as the UK.

Earlier warning signs years ago.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=QiCWVJrVJIfn8gXTvoHwBQ&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DkczkDnMgboU&ved=0CDUQtwIwCTgK&usg=AFQjCNH8G6TR52qBT7r4JGu4edQnNpmdGg

And further results of what the complete ignorance do gooders. Do you think things get better or worse from here.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=QiCWVJrVJIfn8gXTvoHwBQ&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DSgKMI1wV0ps&ved=0CB0QtwIwATgK&usg=AFQjCNHqUbX02NeWxZST1G0UpibECpW_5A

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720431/The-100-years-war-Islam-Dire-warning-former-Australian-military-chief.html

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=qyKWVM2sOdXt8AXxjYKgBg&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DpSLzqxFEYhg&ved=0CDAQtwIwBw&usg=AFQjCNFxsscdD84KlYBzPzQxftrI5xEQWA

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-21/anti-islam-hate-campaign-raises-tensions-to-violent-new-heights/5402526
Rather disturbing we are heading down this path.

We are heading back to the stonage, with barbaric ways and killings from ancient times. We only stopped a beheading on the streets of Sydney a few weeks ago, only to have some gunned down and killed weeks later.

Wtf is the government and people supporting this nonsense doing to us ?

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Multiculturalism is an enigma, we believe it to exist but in reality it doesn't. The essence of the ideal is that cultures can exist as its own entity whilst having the ability to mesh harmoniously with other cultures and this just does not happen. Modern day Australia is devoid of what it means to be an Australian, most have a vague concept of it in historic terms of mateship, determination, fair go etc but almost no one practises this let alone trying to have it define our nation. Immigration has seen 100's if nationalities arrive here and infuse a little of themselves and their culture into this country however this is where it ends. In a modern world almost all cultures that have settled here have found no need to take on 'aussie' culture, they can have a home away from home here. I could name 100's of suburbs that have been turned into a little Sudan, a little Vietnam etc. they are worlds within a world, in that I mean they have their own schools, their own shops, churches and so on. These are areas where you would find nothing at all that reflects Anglo Saxon Australia, in fact most of these areas reject anything that you or I would associate with being a good or bad thing about being Aussie, they don't want any of it.

This is something I find a bit much only because as 'Australians' we are racist red necks if we don't enbrace everything about anyone's elses culture and yet we allow people to settle here who are open in saying 'no thanks' to what we see as being Australian.

In saying that though I don't really care. It is what it is, it certainly can't be reversed now. I'm just going to hang around and see how it evolves.
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Leodwald of Portsburgh
21 Dec 2014, 02:30 PM
So at least tell me the benefits of multiculturalism using some quantifiable metric and not the usual multiculturalist fluff - 'vibrant' and 'diverse'. Tell me the benefits to the average Australian.
Without it dickheads like you wouldn't be here. I guess that's a benefit to you, debatable for everyone else.
Leodwald of Portsburgh
21 Dec 2014, 02:30 PM
I'm open to changing my mind if someone can show me the benefits of multiculturalism
No you aren't, that much is abundantly clear.
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Leodwald of Portsburgh
21 Dec 2014, 02:30 PM
So at least tell me the benefits of multiculturalism using some quantifiable metric and not the usual multiculturalist fluff - 'vibrant' and 'diverse'. Tell me the benefits to the average Australian.
I like it, I have lots of good friends who wouldn't be in Australia if we hadn't opened our doors to non-anglo races.
They have enriched our culture by fusing theirs with ours. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

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I'm open to changing my mind if someone can show me the benefits of multiculturalism out weigh the harm it does to my fellow Australians and my country, until then I see it as displacing and replacing our lineages and ethnicity in our own land. A folly of historical proportions.


It's rare to come across someone with a mind as closed as yours, so I don't believe that it's possible for you to change your mind on any subject, let alone this subject.
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