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Australia overrun by migrants!
Topic Started: 19 Oct 2014, 05:55 PM (5,923 Views)
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herbie
23 Oct 2014, 07:56 PM
A product of his time at the time in some ways at least with anti-miscegenation laws in his native Kentucky (plus the bulk of the south pretty much) not being struck down as unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court until 1967:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States
I dont read him that way, I hear him talking from his heart about the benefits of racial and cultural purity. He is also speaking in a positive frame and not in a negative one, even though double speaking Parky is flipping out.

If you study thus bloke further then he is a living example of the whole white/black, Christian/Moslem socially polarising issues of our modern day, embodied within a single living man, a good man and a community leader as well. When he explains the moment that he renounces his lifelong Christianity to become a follower of the Moslem faith, something tha t Irecomend that most should listen to, as it is not triggered by a religious event but a racial one, it speaks volume of the issues that face us today. Compare the all American sporting hero Cassius Clays radicalisation to Allah and the Islamic world (so to speak) to the modern day Jihad John radicalisation by youtube. Which conversion do you find to be more understandable and reasoned?

The other unavoidable truth that this man demonstrates in his extraordinary life is that Christianity leans to the whites and Molsem leans to the blacks. These four quadrants are intertwined within any of our modern day polarising issues and they are not easily separated and play a large part in the increasing complexity of our current social problems.
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23 Oct 2014, 09:32 PM
I dont read him that way ...
I don't need to "read him". But I do need to understand that aside from ways in which he shows himself to very fundamentally not be so, he will tend to be typical of human beings in that he will quite naturally tend towards being a product of his time and his background at the time.

There are some who manage to be different to that. But it's a damn big ask. And hey, even without being that fundamentally different, one can still make a very great difference. By helping to address the problems of their times in their times. With the danger for those who are fundamentally different ,being that in even in hindsight, the kindest thing that might be said about them is that "He was a man before his times."

I'd guess at least part of it comes down to how rapidly things are changing at the time and how well one does or doesn't adjust?
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Bardon
23 Oct 2014, 09:32 PM
I dont read him that way, I hear him talking from his heart about the benefits of racial and cultural purity. He is also speaking in a positive frame and not in a negative one, even though double speaking Parky is flipping out.

If you study thus bloke further then he is a living example of the whole white/black, Christian/Moslem socially polarising issues of our modern day, embodied within a single living man, a good man and a community leader as well. When he explains the moment that he renounces his lifelong Christianity to become a follower of the Moslem faith, something tha t Irecomend that most should listen to, as it is not triggered by a religious event but a racial one, it speaks volume of the issues that face us today. Compare the all American sporting hero Cassius Clays radicalisation to Allah and the Islamic world (so to speak) to the modern day Jihad John radicalisation by youtube. Which conversion do you find to be more understandable and reasoned?

The other unavoidable truth that this man demonstrates in his extraordinary life is that Christianity leans to the whites and Molsem leans to the blacks. These four quadrants are intertwined within any of our modern day polarising issues and they are not easily separated and play a large part in the increasing complexity of our current social problems.
All I can say is that man was the greatest, he had such charisma, we worshiped him (and George Best) growing up. My brothers first words were "I am the greatest" (so we were told) and he met Ali in later life and told him that and Ali got up and crossed the room and bear-hugged him. He was a giant in more ways than one. He was unashamedly proud of his culture and that was very unusual at that time when there was still such denigration and ill treatment of black Americans.
Parkinson was being patronizing raising the topic and he got outsmarted.
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23 Oct 2014, 11:00 PM
All I can say is that man was the greatest, he had such charisma, we worshiped him (and George Best) growing up. My brothers first words were "I am the greatest" (so we were told) and he met Ali in later life and told him that and Ali got up and crossed the room and bear-hugged him. He was a giant in more ways than one. He was unashamedly proud of his culture and that was very unusual at that time when there was still such denigration and ill treatment of black Americans.
Parkinson was being patronizing raising the topic and he got outsmarted.
Ah yes George Best. Last year I was doing a presentation to a Sheikh immediately prior to him signing the cheque for a substantial investment in our company, so I was pretty tense and it was the first time I had met him. Our MD opened proceedings and knowing that the Sheikh liked soccer started with what George Best said when asked what he done with his money, he replied that "he spent it on fast women, fast cars and booze and the rest was wasted", pregnant pause all around and then the Sheikh laughed, he signed up as well.

Back on Ali, I think history will judge him as being way ahead of his times in the whole African American and Christian Moslem struggle thing, his intellect was light years ahead of Parkinson and his decisions in life highlighted some major flaws with Christianity.
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Ali spoke for himself and for the American majority at the time.

Looks like the trend has been with Parkinson though.
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27 Oct 2014, 08:02 PM
Ali spoke for himself and for the American majority at the time.

Looks like the trend has been with Parkinson though.
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50% of population living in legal same sex marriage?

Popular or not, his views are just as profound today as they were thirty years ago.
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27 Oct 2014, 09:10 PM
Popular or not, his views are just as profound today as they were thirty years ago.
Just over forty years ago actually. That was the interview where Parkinson showed the world that Ali was illiterate and almost got decked for it. Great moment in TV.
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27 Oct 2014, 10:26 PM
Just over forty years ago actually. That was the interview where Parkinson showed the world that Ali was illiterate and almost got decked for it. Great moment in TV.
I seen that one, I know he was dyslexic but not sure that he was illiterate

But anyway I don't believe that graph on the % of Us people living in legal same sex marriages.
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27 Oct 2014, 10:34 PM
But anyway I don't believe that graph on the % of Us people living in legal same sex marriages.
32 states with legal same-sex marriage:

21 by Court Decision
Alaska (Oct. 17, 2014), Arizona (Oct. 17, 2014), California (June 28, 2013), Colorado (Oct. 7, 2014), Connecticut (Nov. 12, 2008), Idaho (Oct. 13, 2014), Indiana (Oct. 6, 2014), Iowa (Apr. 24, 2009), Massachusetts (May 17, 2004), Nevada (Oct. 9, 2014), New Jersey (Oct. 21, 2013), New Mexico (Dec. 19, 2013), North Carolina (Oct. 10, 2014), Oklahoma (Oct. 6, 2014), Oregon (May 19, 2014), Pennsylvania (May 20, 2014), Utah (Oct. 6, 2014), Virginia (Oct. 6, 2014), West Virginia (Oct. 9, 2014), Wisconsin (Oct. 6, 2014), Wyoming (Oct. 21, 2014)

8 by State Legislature
Delaware (July 1, 2013), Hawaii (Dec. 2, 2013), Illinois (June 1, 2014), Minnesota (Aug. 1, 2013), New Hampshire (Jan. 1, 2010), New York (July 24, 2011), Rhode Island (Aug. 1, 2013), Vermont (Sep. 1, 2009)

3 by Popular Vote
Maine (Dec. 29, 2012), Maryland (Jan. 1, 2013), Washington (Dec. 9, 2012)

Washington, DC legalized gay marriage on Mar. 3, 2010, the date marriage licenses became available to same-sex couples.

18 States Have Banned Same-sex marriage:


17 by Constitutional Amendment and State Law
Alabama (2006, 1998), Arkansas (2004, 1997), Florida (2008, 1997), Georgia (2004, 1996), Kansas (2005, 1996), Kentucky (2004, 1998), Louisiana (2004, 1999), Michigan (2004, 1996), Mississippi (2004, 1997), Missouri (2004, 1996), Montana (2004, 1997), North Dakota (2004, 1997), Ohio (2004, 2004), South Carolina (2006, 1996), South Dakota (2006, 1996), Tennessee (2006, 1996), Texas (2005, 1997)

1 by Constitutional Amendment only
Nebraska (2000)

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Okay got it now.

I thought it was saying that over 50% are in same sex marriages!
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