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ABS is embarrassing says CPSU
Topic Started: 9 Oct 2014, 12:09 PM (1,725 Views)
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9 Oct 2014, 01:53 PM
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9 Oct 2014, 01:34 PM
Hmmmm.... I'm not sure the "Community and Public Service Union" would be my choice of organisation to tell me about the efficiency or competency of any other particular organisation....... :re:
As the body representing ABS staff.......I agree wholeheartedly.
Yes...... a union....... enuf said. :dry:
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9 Oct 2014, 02:02 PM
Yes...... a union....... enuf said. :dry:
"Frustrated staff, long hours and surveys piled on the scrap heap is what characterises the working environment at the Australian Bureau of Statistics, according the Union representing employees at the institution.

The Community and Public Sector Union (CPSU) says Federal Government budget cuts are making it impossible for staff to do their jobs properly.

"Surveys have been cut altogether, we've seen changes to the methodology for doing surveys that really aren't working properly," said the CPSU's deputy national president Alistair Waters.

"Moving to trying to collect data online, that's just leading to an awful lot of workarounds being done and often that's just leading to interviewers having to go back into the field and re-interview people," he added.

The CPSU says $68 million was cut from the institution in this year's budget under the Coalition Government.

It says that came on top of a $10 million reduction in the previous year's budget under the then Labor government.

Over the 2013/14 and 2014/15 financial years the organisation has lost 350 staff and has also been without a chief statistician, essentially a chief executive, for months.

Given that there is a public service recruitment freeze, the union says it is unclear when one will be appointed.

"It's really important that a new Australian Statistician is appointed and we get somebody who can set a longer term direction," Mr Waters said....."

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Looks like this is the article here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/abs-staff-say-data-undermined-by-funding-cuts/5801844?section=business

One interesting comment suggests the union is against using online methods to collect survey responses??? :?:

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"Moving to trying to collect data online, that's just leading to an awful lot of workarounds being done and often that's just leading to interviewers having to go back into the field and re-interview people," he added.
This looks like typical union bullshit - fight "progress" and technological innovation in order to keep a few obsolete and unnecessary jobs hanging around for as long as possible.

While there are clearly issues with the ABS and it's current level of funding - especially if the claimed budget cut back figures of $68M (over what period though???) are indeed correct, I will never trust completely informaton released by the union - they have too big of an axe to grind as a 100% partisan organisation and clearly have the political agenda of embarrassing the current LNP government in any way possible.
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I wonder what the private sector could do instead. I reckon it would be more efficient and innovative. I met a couple of the very senior guys from the ABS professionally and they were what you would expect from a hybrid of senior public service and statisticians.
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That's why I don't have much faith in data stuff, it can get quite confusing & frustrating for those checking data. It's really worth checking it all out & understand what the agenda is behind it.
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Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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11 Oct 2014, 07:09 PM
I wonder what the private sector could do instead. I reckon it would be more efficient and innovative. I met a couple of the very senior guys from the ABS professionally and they were what you would expect from a hybrid of senior public service and statisticians.
Agree totally. Roy Morgan is by far the leading one, though I believe most bulls here discredit it because it doesn't paint as rosy a picture of the economy as the ABS. For example the Roy Morgan stats usually show unemployment running at over twice the ABS figure.

Funny, here is their current lead story.


ABS data disaster is final proof Australia needs new measure of employment.
Since Rudd was elected in 2007 part-time/casual employment has surged while full-time employment virtually unchanged

October 10 2014 http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5863-abs-data-disaster-october-2014-201410100446

Yesterday Australians were told the ABS measures of employment and unemployment cannot and should not be ‘trusted’. This is what we have been saying for more than 20 years.
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Since 2007 there has been a huge shift to greater part-time/casual employment. In November 2007 – when Kevin Rudd was elected Prime Minister – full-time employment represented 70.7% of employed Australians (7.16 million) while part-time/casual employment represented 29.3% of employed Australians (2.97 million). The Roy Morgan September employment estimates show Australian full-time employment now represents 65.1% of employed Australians (7.17 million) and part-time/casual employment represents 34.9% of employed Australians (3.85 million).

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