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The differences between Baby Boomers, Gen X and Gen Y
Topic Started: 29 Sep 2014, 08:00 PM (1,717 Views)
herbie
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Having done a little bit of reading on the apparent 'theory behind it', I can't see any particular theoretical reason for there to be any great diffs between those cohorts even. In the West anyway. And see very little scientific research that might support such thoughts. Plus don't even personally see any great evidence for thinking there are any great diffs within my own working class family members as I look across those three cohorts.

Just more twaddle. Just more MSM beat up. What sells papers. And to be misused 'n abused by those who do feel inclined to handle 'facts' loosely to their own ends ...
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herbie
29 Sep 2014, 08:00 PM
Having done a little bit of reading on the apparent 'theory behind it', I can't see any particular theoretical reason for there to be any great diffs between those cohorts even. In the West anyway. And see very little scientific research that might support such thoughts. Plus don't even personally see any great evidence for thinking there are any great diffs within my own working class family members as I look across those three cohorts.

Just more twaddle. Just more MSM beat up. What sells papers. And to be misused 'n abused by those who do feel inclined to handle 'facts' loosely to their own ends ...
Nail hit on the head Herbie
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993
The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
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I tend to agree,

But perhaps what drives so much commentary on this, is Australia's high level of age segregation. It's something I haven't picked up on as much in other countries. It's there but I don't think it's as pronounced.

From primary school up until early adulthood, people are rather tightly segregated into a very tight age range that they associate with.

Indeed just recently on the TV news, a individual from some institution wants to make school starting ages standardised. Ie this guy thought 5 yo and 6 yo's in the same classroom was completely unacceptable.
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http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=generational+theory&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5 for the scholars..

For the masses...
http://www.tomorrowtoday.uk.com/articles/article001_intro_gens.htm
http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/squirrel38/generation-theory
http://www.staresattheworld.com/2013/03/generational-theory-the-upcoming-crisis/
http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/82232/neil-howe-fourth-turning-has-arrived

GT is a critial part of any student of Sociology.
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29 Sep 2014, 08:28 PM
Nail hit on the head Herbie
"According to Mannheim's theory, people are significantly influenced by the socio-historical environment (in particular, notable events that involve them actively) that predominates their youth", and

"Mannheim in fact stressed that not every generation will develop an original and distinctive consciousness"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_generations

Now yeah, I can sort of accept that it's quite possible that our lot what got whacked with The Great Depression in their formative years (or even WWII in their formative years just maybe? - But rather less likely given we won WWII), might have found it a life altering experience; Regarding a lot of their fundamental attitudes.

But the pissy little 'normal' ups 'n downs type shite what's happened on 'n off agin since, to BBs 'n Gen X 'n Gen Y in the West, 'n not even in any great big really hard concentrated and quite extended whack in the formative years of any but a few of us off 'n on, by 'n large just wouldn't sound significant - To me - Unless one wants to attempt to make some sort of argument we (Western BBs, Gen X 'n Gen Y) are all rather easily scarred 'n perpetually wounded shrinking little violet types (or just all inherently overly happy 'fun in the sun' types by nature - if one wants to put the positive spin on it) I reckon.

So there's not even any theoretical basis for same coming from the great granddaddy of the 'theory' (Mannheim) - And in truth it's probably best just called a hypothesis rather than a theory anyway. With what we get fed on it just being MSM beat up 'n crap.

PS: A study by a HR mob what got motivated enough to study the research - And pretty much just concluded it just wasn't conclusive enough in any real ways at all that they could really see to make them start paying any attention to it:

http://www.kornferryinstitute.com/reports-insights/scholarly-investigation-generational-workforce-differences-debunking-myths
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Doesn't seem to be much popular support here for pushing the 'theoretically' supposed diffs?

I've heard them espoused longly, longingly, lovingly 'n loudly by the odd rabid nutter in Blogdom of course. (Or the poorly informed.)
And yes, even seen the odd MSM (read bullshit numpty) journalist interested in selling papers paying lip service to them.

But basically, that's about it.
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herbie
1 Oct 2014, 08:06 PM
Doesn't seem to be much popular support here for pushing the 'theoretically' supposed diffs?

I've heard them espoused longly, longingly, lovingly 'n loudly by the odd rabid nutter in Blogdom of course. (Or the poorly informed.)
And yes, even seen the odd MSM (read bullshit numpty) journalist interested in selling papers paying lip service to them.

But basically, that's about it.
Yeh a lot of boomers think the same as you herbs, but genx dont.

geny dont seem to do much thinking at all ...
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herbie
1 Oct 2014, 08:06 PM
Doesn't seem to be much popular support here for pushing the 'theoretically' supposed diffs?

I've heard them espoused longly, longingly, lovingly 'n loudly by the odd rabid nutter in Blogdom of course. (Or the poorly informed.)
And yes, even seen the odd MSM (read bullshit numpty) journalist interested in selling papers paying lip service to them.

But basically, that's about it.
It's all in the number of tattoo's herb.
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2 Oct 2014, 12:19 AM
Yeh a lot of boomers think the same as you herbs, but genx dont.

geny dont seem to do much thinking at all ...
I suspect I didn't start doing much thinking about much 'stuff' at all until I was in my latish 20s perhaps GV.
I had opinions and attitudes of course. But in hindsight, wouldn't try to pretend they were based on a whole lot of especially considered thinking.

Which (even in so far as your suggestion might contain a bit of accuracy???) would just tend to suggest to me that as a young BB I wasn't especially different (in that regard) to what you're suggesting a 'typical' young Gen Y might be.

I think of a bloke I chat with occasionally about 'the joys' of having a teenage son. He takes the rather sensible approach to it that while the kid can be a bit annoying at times, he (the kid) is still a hell of a lot less of a pain in the arse at his age than he (the kid's old man) was at the same age. And with me having known them both in their teenage years, I can only agree with his (the old man's) assessment ... :)
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2 Oct 2014, 10:41 AM
I suspect I didn't start doing much thinking about much 'stuff' at all until I was in my latish 20s perhaps GV.
I had opinions and attitudes of course. But in hindsight, wouldn't try to pretend they were based on a whole lot of especially considered thinking.

Which (even in so far as your suggestion might contain a bit of accuracy???) would just tend to suggest to me that as a young BB I wasn't especially different (in that regard) to what you're suggesting a 'typical' young Gen Y might be.

I think of a bloke I chat with occasionally about 'the joys' of having a teenage son. He takes the rather sensible approach to it that while the kid can be a bit annoying at times, he (the kid) is still a hell of a lot less of a pain in the arse at his age than he (the kid's old man) was at the same age. And with me having known them both in their teenage years, I can only agree with his (the old man's) assessment ... :)
Yeh, I,m with you there herbs, I didn,t really start bakin me noodle until I was in me 30s.

Still, there *are* differences between generations, and not just BBs and X and Y. You can go back through history, american or european, hundreds of years, and the writings and politics of generations vary wildly.

sometimes it is just the numbers ... kids who come through school with 30 in their class turn out very different than thems that came through with 20. more competitive for a start.

and peeps that grew up before the bomb aint quite as full on as thems that came after

meself I find BBs expect that every other fella thinks the same as them, so they dont see differences in the generations and most times they dont bother to ask. gotta check yer assumptions now and then.
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