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Scotland rejects independence with No winning 55% of vote; Market reaction to Scotland vote: it’s 'up, up and away'
Topic Started: 9 Sep 2014, 10:43 AM (3,413 Views)
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Scotland independence: Beware the aftershocks

With support for Scottish independence rising, Tony Burman examines the potentially dramatic implications of Britain’s breakup both in the U.K. and beyond.

That divisive question may haunt the wounded English political psyche for decades to come. That will be certain if the world hears in the early hours of next Friday morning that Scotland has voted to break apart from the United Kingdom. It would evoke memories of the poisonous debate that erupted in the 1950s in the United States over “Who lost China?” after the communists conquered mainland China in 1949.

But what was regarded only a week ago in England as unthinkable is now very possible. More than 300 years after the creation of Great Britain through the union of England and Scotland, the sun may finally be setting on the British Empire. And the implications would be dramatic and unpredictable.

In England, the bitter fallout from such a shocking vote would burst to the surface like an open wound. A stunned public would be despondent and angry. A complacent political class would see its very survival under attack. And a monarch — perhaps the last Queen of Scotland — would be as horrified as she is heartbroken.

But until last Sunday, England’s elites were smug and complacent about the Scottish referendum. Few took seriously the prospect that Scots would vote “Yes” on Sept. 18 to the stark and simple question: “Should Scotland be an independent country?”

Then the dam broke. Last weekend, for the first time, a major poll showed the Yes side with a 51 per cent to 49 per cent lead, amid other signs that momentum was moving in the direction of the pro-independence side.

London’s newspapers immediately went into panic mode. “Ten days to save the Union,” headlined The Independent. “Nothing else now matters in British politics,” reported The Guardian. “Queen’s fear over break up of Britain” (Daily Mail). “Don’t let me be last Queen of Scotland” (Daily Mirror).

Now this is where the stories of Scotland and Quebec intersect. If Canada’s Rip Van Winkle fell asleep a few days before Quebec’s dramatic referendum in 1995, and awoke again 19 years later in Scotland this week, it would be more than simply the accents that would be jarring. He would find the parallels between the two campaigns eerily striking.

Just as Canada’s federal leaders travelled to Quebec in the final days of the 1995 campaign to express their “love” to Quebecers, Scots saw a similar last-ditch intervention last Wednesday from Britain’s Westminster leaders.

Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, whose party is loathed throughout most of Scotland, travelled to Scotland and was on the verge of tears as he made his pitch: “I would be heartbroken if this family of nations we have put together . . . was torn apart.”

Although he didn’t mention it, Cameron would also probably be out of a job. As the prime minister who oversaw his country’s breakup, Cameron would likely be forced to resign. And so would Labour leader Ed Miliband. Like Cameron, he has been an ineffective campaigner for the No side, and his party — without the 59 Scottish seats held by Labour — would be unlikely winners in any general election.

These are only two of the likely repercussions beyond Scotland of a vote for independence. Britain’s standing in the world would also be dramatically diminished.

There is some doubt it could retain its Security Council seat at the United Nations. Also, without Scotland arguing within the U.K. on behalf of the European Union, Britain’s connections to Europe would become even more tenuous. And, with so much of Britain’s nuclear fleet based in Scotland, there is a real possibility that it would have to abandon its nuclear weapons altogether.

If there is a Yes vote next Thursday for Scottish independence — which is by no means certain — a bill would need to be passed for the process of independence to begin. This would involve negotiations on such delicate matters as currency and debt, and this would come at a time when emotions are likely to be at the breaking point.

If, on the other hand, there is a No vote and Scotland remains within the U.K., most observers expect another referendum within a few years.

Either way, the story of this fabled kingdom seems certain to be on the brink of historic change.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/09/13/scotland_independence_beware_the_aftershocks.html
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Which way are you going to vote BP?
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"Farewell to old England forever" - LOL ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF9uPKWG0BM
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I hear that despite the in-you-face economic and social carnage just across the narrow English channel, an independent Scotland would seriously consider joining the utterly disasterous European Union and adopt the Euro as their currency.

That would be stupidity at it's most breathtaking.
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You know bp, if you owned your own property (outright) you would realize that most people who own their own home (outright) really don't give a shit what happens in Scotland or England or any other such. They are far too focused on Australia and what's happening here.

Are you planning to emigrate there when they forclose on you? Get a new start where no one knows you?
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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Apparently the poles are 50:50. The Lithuanians are slightly in favour, and the Romanians are dead against. Personally, why you would let a bunch of immigrants decide your countries future, and not let your native born vote is beyond me.
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14 Sep 2014, 04:17 PM
Apparently the poles are 50:50. The Lithuanians are slightly in favour, and the Romanians are dead against. Personally, why you would let a bunch of immigrants decide your countries future, and not let your native born vote is beyond me.
Similar thing happened in Australia. The whole political apparatus became infected with foreign filth who have led this country to it's ruin.
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We are absolutely, without doubt, 100%, taking our country back on September 18th, 2014.

It's the end of the line in Scotland for the London spiv gangsters of Westminster.

The gravy train will stop at it's last station on September 18th, 2014.

Cherrio, from the Glasgow Team !!!




Scottish independence: the Queen makes rare comment on referendum
No campaigners welcome the Queen's remarks as a reminder of the monumental decision facing voters in Scotland




The Queen made a rare intervention on the political stage when she expressed the hope that voters will "think very carefully about the future" before the Scottish independence referendum on Thursday.

As David Cameron prepares to issue a warning in Scotland that a vote for independence will lead to a permanent split from the UK, campaigners for the union welcomed the Queen's remarks as a reminder of the monumental decision facing voters in Scotland.

The comments by the Queen came as she left Crathie Kirk near her Balmoral estate in Aberdeenshire after the Sunday morning service. The Queen told a well-wisher: "Well, I hope people will think very carefully about the future."

The Queen's remarks were interpreted by no campaigners as helpful to their cause. They were seen to tally with a warning the prime minister will deliver in Scotland on Monday, on his final visit north of the border before Thursday's vote, that a vote for independence would lead to an irrevocable break with the UK.

The prime minister will say: "This is a once-and-for-all decision. If Scotland votes yes, the UK will split, and we will go our separate ways for ever."

Downing Street sources said that Cameron would also have a positive message about the benefits of remaining in the UK. He may refer to a decision by David Beckham to put his name to a long list of celebrities, actors and cultural figures who have signed an open letter urging Scotland to vote no. Organised by the actor Tom Holland and broadcaster Dan Snow, their "stay with us" campaign is due to hold a vigil in Trafalgar Square, London, tonight.

A series of opinion polls confirmed the two campaigns are in effect neck and neck. An Opinium poll for the Observer found that no was six points ahead with 53% to 47% for yes. A further poll by Panelbase for the Sunday Times put the two campaigns only two points apart at 51% for no and 49% for yes. A further ICM poll for the Sunday Telegraph gave yes a more dramatic lead of 54% to 46%, but its significance was played down since its sample was only 700, under the normal threshold of 1,000 voters.

Alex Salmond said that the "extraordinary manifestations" of support he has encountered during a whistle-stop tour of Scottish towns and cities over the past 72 hours has convinced him he is on the verge of a historic victory that would lead to the collapse of the 307-year-old union.

Pointing to the Scottish National Party's shock landslide victory in the 2011 Holyrood elections, where it won the first overall majority since devolution in 1999, the first minister told the Guardian: "I sense a momentum which is much greater than that. I experienced that campaign and I knew what was happening – it was great but I see now on the streets of Scotland today – the east end of Glasgow and Dumfries where 500 people arrived out of nowhere to campaign on the bridge over the Nith – these are extraordinary manifestations of people mobilised because they sense the momentum for Scotland; this time of opportunity, this chance of a lifetime."

Salmond had earlier moved to reassure traditionalists when he said the "Queen and her successors" would remain as head of state in an independent Scotland. He told the Andrew Marr Show on BBC1: "We want to see Her Majesty the Queen as Queen of the Scots. That is a fantastic title and a fantastic prospect."

The Queen indicated that she is fully seized of the historic importance of the referendum when she spoke about the vote outside Crathie Kirk after a well-wisher joked that they would not mention the referendum. The Queen, who remains above the political fray as a constitutional monarch, observed the proprieties of not endorsing either side in the referendum.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/14/scottish-independence-queen-remark-welcomed-no-vote
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11095297/UK-house-prices-will-fall-if-Scotland-votes-for-independence.html
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14 Sep 2014, 02:25 PM
I hear that despite the in-you-face economic and social carnage just across the narrow English channel, an independent Scotland would seriously consider joining the utterly disasterous European Union and adopt the Euro as their currency.

That would be stupidity at it's most breathtaking.
I agree. After centuries of foreign rule the Scots have a chance to become a free independent nation. But to join the EU would be worse than staying part of the UK. A momentous coitus up.
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