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American Empire Dying... China Rises
Topic Started: 11 Sep 2014, 08:11 AM (2,272 Views)
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cokatoo56
11 Sep 2014, 10:56 PM
does anyone really believe the USA will just sit and watch other countries getting wealthier while their own population is convincing themselves that living off the grid is actually cool ?
i'm sure they have plans, in washington or wherever they meet. it's made of a bit of ukraine, syria, lybia, iran, free trade agreements with europe, with SEA, with japan etc to make it mandatory for the world to buy their gmo crap... it's a bit messy at the moment, but they surely have a plan to remain the first political/military/economic power.
Yeah. They could always do what the Romans did right?

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Count du Monet
11 Sep 2014, 03:41 PM
Well that's the limit on printing. The US more or less keeps a common line with the other mainstream floating currencies. Since the Basel agreement participating currencies print about 7% more cash pa, rather than the much higher rates of printing that prevailed before.

I put in down the boiling frog principle. Keep the inflating of the currency down to a level that doesn't cause an over reaction from the bond market.

So no, there are limits because of the customers/victims reaction.
The argument for fiat was always that although inflation eroded the value of the currency unit, we were paid more each year so there was no actual loss incurred in real terms. We could put our spare paper into a bank account and come out just ahead of inflation.

That isn't the case anymore, certainly in the USA and Britain where real wages have gone backwards. Those who can, are now taking greater risks with their left over fiat to try and maintain value.

So far, the S&P, Dow and FSTE have been very obliging in absorbing the extra fiat that has been pumped into the system and it all seems to be going swimmingly.

However, we are in the second longest market bull run since 1932 and we are fast approaching being in the longest.

Can it go on for much longer?

I'm out anyway.

Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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11 Sep 2014, 03:07 PM
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11 Sep 2014, 02:46 PM
It's America's debts and social security liabilities that will wipe them out. You can't be number one if you can't pay your bills.
Yeah they might run out of dollars, I hear there's a shortage of them.
The $US most immediate threat is losing reserve status through trade (resulting in massive inflation).

This is occuring now.

We can observe the current US response through the "conflict" in the Ukraine. The world observed the last threat through the US response in Iraq.

The Russia China trade deal is a threat to US hedgmoney and the US is responding (if I was in charge of the US I would too). This will not end well...our window of 2-3 years for a resolution at this stage seems very optomistic...it appears this is heading for a shooting war.
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cokatoo56
11 Sep 2014, 10:56 PM
does anyone really believe the USA will just sit and watch other countries getting wealthier while their own population is convincing themselves that living off the grid is actually cool ?
i'm sure they have plans, in washington or wherever they meet. it's made of a bit of ukraine, syria, lybia, iran, free trade agreements with europe, with SEA, with japan etc to make it mandatory for the world to buy their gmo crap... it's a bit messy at the moment, but they surely have a plan to remain the first political/military/economic power.
they have no choice, it's over.
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What the hell does "percentage of world GDP on a PPP basis" measure that anyone is interested in anyhow?
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miw
12 Sep 2014, 01:02 AM
What the hell does "percentage of world GDP on a PPP basis" measure that anyone is interested in anyhow?
breast implants and hair colourings.

The US economy leads the world in Botox.

What a way to go.

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lolhaha
11 Sep 2014, 03:07 PM
goldbug
11 Sep 2014, 02:46 PM
It's America's debts and social security liabilities that will wipe them out. You can't be number one if you can't pay your bills.
Yeah they might run out of dollars, I hear there's a shortage of them.
There is a shortage of people wanting to hold them now, especially the Russians and Chinese. And you can't just print money internally to pay social security obligations. No, their currency no longer reflects the value of their nation's assets, and that is the whole basis of floating currencies.

Australia's currency reflects it's mineral wealth, England's it's control over financial markets, new Zealand's it's abundant sheep I suspect lol.lol But all western currencies have a high premium attached because we are in the club that fought WWII and won. To the victors go the spoils.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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It is Americas geographical isolation that will break them in the end.
Simple really.
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Jimbo
11 Sep 2014, 11:12 PM


That isn't the case anymore, certainly in the USA and Britain where real wages have gone backwards. Those who can, are now taking greater risks with their left over fiat to try and maintain value.



Wages might be down, but earnings are up for the right people.


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Wall Street Profits Hit Record Levels, So Why Are Banks Still Killing Jobs?
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Try and make sense of this: The banking industry earned a record $40 billion in the first three months of 2012, meanwhile banks are cutting th0usands of jobs.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!!
You are no longer customer, you are property!!!

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Mustapha Mond
12 Sep 2014, 10:58 AM
It is Americas geographical isolation that will break them in the end.
Simple really.
Peter
Please explain?
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