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We'll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband
Topic Started: 8 Sep 2014, 02:52 AM (2,399 Views)
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We'll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband reveals incendiary plan as Yes camp leads for first time in shock new poll

Labour leader revealed passport checks 'would have to be looked at'
His spokesman: 'It would be up to us to secure our northern border'
Comes as shock poll puts Yes camp ahead on 51% to No camp's 49%
Revelation comes just 11 days before history-making referendum

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Ed Miliband today issues the stark threat that manned border posts could be introduced if Scotland backs independence in next week's historic vote.

With just 11 days to go until the referendum - and polls showing growing momentum for Alex Salmond's nationalists - the Labour leader has urged voters to face up to the consequences of severing the 300-year-old Union.

'If you don't want borders, vote to stay in the United Kingdom,' Mr Miliband said in an interview with today's Scottish Mail on Sunday.

Asked whether that would mean him introducing border guards and passport checks if he was Prime Minister, Mr Miliband warned: 'It would have to be looked at.'

And Mr Miliband's spokesman added last night: 'The last time I looked there were two sides to the border - and we would be in charge of one of them. It would be up to us, not Mr Salmond, to secure our northern border.'

The prospect was raised as a shock poll showed that 51 per cent of Scots would vote ‘Yes’ to going it alone with just 49 per cent saying ‘No’.

The results of the YouGov survey means that the ‘Yes’ campaign has overturned a 22-point lead within a month.

Until now, Mr Salmond’s SNP has insisted that a separate Scotland would be part of a common, free movement area with the rest of the UK and Ireland.

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But a Downing Street source backed Mr Miliband, saying: ‘All the research shows that if there is a material difference between the immigration policy adopted by an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK, then border controls would have to be introduced.’

It raises the extraordinary prospect of drivers having to stop at manned barriers on the borders to show their passports.

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Like anyone will vote for red ed. Labor can never win in Scotland leaves.

Anyway, you technically don't need a passport to travel within the EU.
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newjez
8 Sep 2014, 03:59 AM
Like anyone will vote for red ed. Labor can never win in Scotland leaves.

Anyway, you technically don't need a passport to travel within the EU.
Technically you don't need a passport but in reality, you do.

I still reckon the no's will win though. Too many issues for both sides if they devolve the Union and not enough pluses for Scotland if they vote yes.

Alex Salmond claiming that Scotland would continue to use the pound is bloody stupid to start with. It would mean that Scotland would be at the mercy of British monetary policy. It would be too hard for Scotland to start up its own central bank, enter the bond market etc.

Voting yes would create havoc for both sides.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be :?: rising.
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8 Sep 2014, 04:38 AM
Technically you don't need a passport but in reality, you do.

I still reckon the no's will win though. Too many issues for both sides if they devolve the Union and not enough pluses for Scotland if they vote yes.

Alex Salmond claiming that Scotland would continue to use the pound is bloody stupid to start with. It would mean that Scotland would be at the mercy of British monetary policy. It would be too hard for Scotland to start up its own central bank, enter the bond market etc.

Voting yes would create havoc for both sides.
I think the way forward would be for a No win, and then to form an English parliament. Try and move more towards american style states setup, get rid of the house of lords and create a senate. Lose the queen, and have a president.
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newjez
8 Sep 2014, 06:21 AM
I think the way forward would be for a No win, and then to form an English parliament. Try and move more towards american style states setup, get rid of the house of lords and create a senate. Lose the queen, and have a president.
Yeah, right. The Canadian experience suggests otherwise: nearly 20 years after a knife-edge loss for the Yes side in the 1995 Quebec independence referendum, and nearly 40 years after the first such exercise in 1976, essentially nothing has changed within the constitutional underpinnings of the Canadian federation.

Blathering about *potential* change is a full-time occupation for many no-doubt-worthy politicians, lawyers, bureaucrats, and Sunday-morning media types, but 4 decades on, there is still no consensus for actual change.

Meanwhile, the separatists wax and wane, but never go away.
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8 Sep 2014, 07:48 AM
Yeah, right. The Canadian experience suggests otherwise: nearly 20 years after a knife-edge loss for the Yes side in the 1995 Quebec independence referendum, and nearly 40 years after the first such exercise in 1976, essentially nothing has changed within the constitutional underpinnings of the Canadian federation.

Blathering about *potential* change is a full-time occupation for many no-doubt-worthy politicians, lawyers, bureaucrats, and Sunday-morning media types, but 4 decades on, there is still no consensus for actual change.

Meanwhile, the separatists wax and wane, but never go away.
Let's see how they appease them over the next week.
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8 Sep 2014, 08:01 AM
Let's see how they appease them over the next week.
No possible appeasement package can get signed, sealed, and delivered over the next week.

And anything not nailed down will not necessarily be delivered later.

Again following the Canadian example, a sympathetic Tory Prime Minister offered Quebec a favourable consitutional settlement ("Meech Lake") in the aftermath of the 1976 referendum, but could not deliver, so the status quo ruled.

YMMV, and all that.
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In the scheme of things it's not an issue. They lost a lot more sleep over the Irish in days gone by.
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8 Sep 2014, 09:44 AM
In the scheme of things it's not an issue. They lost a lot more sleep over the Irish in days gone by.
If Scotland vote yes then maybe one day Ireland will get the six counties back.
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8 Sep 2014, 09:56 AM
If Scotland vote yes then maybe one day Ireland will get the six counties back.
Now that would be something.

Thinking about it, the Irish must be watching this very closely.

The Royalists must be gob smacked by the potential.

But Oliver must be enjoying this from the other side.

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I wonder if the Union flag will change and if so, will Aus adopt it.
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