Since the seventies the brick veneer you see on homes is just a wall of stretchers. They will last fine but are not load bearing. The outside brick wall is just there to look good, insulate, and provide a weather resistant barrier. That pine frame is the buildings strength.
If you look at buildings from the 1930 era and prior you will find they used English and Flemish bond which is much stronger. That said construction techniques have improved dramatically.
Exactly right. The brickwork is done after the frame and roof is put on and has no load to bear from the roof. The frame bears the full load of the roof weight.
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18 Aug 2014, 07:46 AM
I tend to buy properties that are 10 or more years old, partly because that's normally long enough for any obvious problems to have emerged, and partly because the buildings will have had a bit of a test of time to see whether they are still desirable. They're also generally cheaper than new equivalents.
In Canberra where I live you would be VERY careful buying a brand new unit. For some years the building industry has been using private certifiers, and it has been a disaster as far as quality is concerned.
It's not just the certifiers, it's the crap trades with no formal qualifications causing the problems in Canberra. Then you have also the problem of reactive clay in Canberra. Underpinning is a big problem when buying houses there.
I always thought that a steel framed house would be a giant Faraday's cage. I guess as long as the studs are at least 1 meter apart, anything over 300MHz should be OK.
The standard for an internal wall would be two walls with a 50mm gap in between. Each side is packed with insulation making the whole structure virtually soundproof. All the steel is earthed via direct bolting to the pad.
I am not sure I fully understand the "Faraday cage" thing, but my understanding is that it is an advantage to have a steel frame rather than a disadvantage?
I don't know to be honest.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be rising.
I always thought that a steel framed house would be a giant Faraday's cage. I guess as long as the studs are at least 1 meter apart, anything over 300MHz should be OK.
remember there are 2 dimensions. For example, slot 1mm wide and 30mm long will be quite porous to even 60mm waves. At least that's what they taught me when we looked at shielding from electromagnetic interference.
And possibly steel wouldn't be conductive enough. Dunno about that though. No practical experience except for being frustrated by the shielding on equipment chassis.
At any rate it wouldn't impact mobile phone reception in the slightest.
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the great wall of China has an outer wall/skin of bricks. they used rice as a component of the mortar. Each brick has the producers name on it. So good bricks can last a very long time. Peter
The standard for an internal wall would be two walls with a 50mm gap in between. Each side is packed with insulation making the whole structure virtually soundproof. All the steel is earthed via direct bolting to the pad.
I am not sure I fully understand the "Faraday cage" thing, but my understanding is that it is an advantage to have a steel frame rather than a disadvantage?
I don't know to be honest.
Steel frames are great from the point of view of termites although you still have to watch your windows and frames gyprock and skirts. The biggest disadvantage is when renovating. Nothing can be nailed and everything is screwed. Pain in the arse.
Please never ever spray anything onto them if you see them it's the worst thing to do as they scatter... get it treated by the pest people.
They have eaten under a small area of lounge wandoo flooring & a bathroom door frame.
A favorite is forgotten timber stuff dumped in the backyard
I luv my Tassie oak kitchen cupboards ..yes a tree got killed for this.
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Steel frames are great from the point of view of termites although you still have to watch your windows and frames gyprock and skirts. The biggest disadvantage is when renovating. Nothing can be nailed and everything is screwed. Pain in the arse.
Very good point and that is why if you are going to renovate, buy a very old property (unless it is made of asbestos).
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be rising.
when i worked in australia i always specified steel - simply because it doesnt settle, so lines are nice and straight with less liklihood of sagging, cracking etc... ( mind you i worked on more civic scale buildings than residential, and in perth majority of homes are double brick )
Main issue is that steel transfers heat much better than timber, so have to make sure have proper thermal insulation from inside to outside to prevent any thermal bridging. This is not a huge thing, just something that need to take more care with than with timber/
when i worked in australia i always specified steel - simply because it doesnt settle, so lines are nice and straight with less liklihood of sagging, cracking etc... ( mind you i worked on more civic scale buildings than residential, and in perth majority of homes are double brick )
Main issue is that steel transfers heat much better than timber, so have to make sure have proper thermal insulation from inside to outside to prevent any thermal bridging. This is not a huge thing, just something that need to take more care with than with timber/
A thermal break is a BCA requirement where steel contacts exterior surfaces. A lot of new houses are using steel for the roof trusses. Also, very good for commercial property because it can be moved around a lot more easily than timber stud.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be rising.
True, but they will be constructed using higher strength bricks. That is why you can't just add a second storey to a single storey property by piling more bricks on top. You need to ascertain the strength of the existing bricks first.
The advantage with brick property is that you can see faults quite easily. You don't need to be a structural engineer to detect subsidence or stress cracks. They are almost impossible to hide (unless they are rendered over).
I thought it was the depth of the foundations rather than the strength of the bricks.
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