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Stop flooding Australia with loads of migrants!; Dick Smith talks on the pitfalls of endless population growth
Topic Started: 14 Aug 2014, 11:22 AM (511 Views)
Barista
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This nation needs a discussion and narrative which revolves around productivity driving the economy, and a population growth position which adds to productivity.

Flooding the place with loads of migrants is about short cutting the key (productivity) part of the process we need to have, and we are not having that patrt because the vested interests (including both mainstream political parties) don't have the cojones to be honest with people.

I don't have a problem with a population of 100 million if that 100 million is doing something moderately productive and earning its way in the world by doing something other than digging up the land they exist on and selling it to someone else.

I have a big problem with 23 million people setting the platform for growing the population if they are doing (setting the local behaviours and customs) precisely what they don't want the migrants to do – and are effectively doing nothing other than selling off what they dig up and selling real estate to one another at ever greater prices without even thinking for a second about how sustainable that economic model is.
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He fails in his first sentence, endless population growth.

Peak population growth was 1965 and global population growth has been declining since then and projected to decrease further by all solid projections. 30% of the growth in actual numbers to 10 billion, are from people already alive and their demographic momentum of increased longevity.

Australia has been below replacement fertility for over 40 years now and our population growth is mostly our NOM. That is controllable.
Dick must be anti NOM, not population growth as our natural growth, surely.

Just saying is it also likely that global population will peak and then decline.

As for Australia, I agree with Barista, if we could be avery productive 100 million, then fine. The reality is that Australia will most likely peak in its population and then start its decline this century. Why? Simples.... As an aged nation of voters immigration will be reduced even as our natural growth falls off a cliff as the deaths rates double due to boomers leaving the home planet. The baby boom then 80 years to the death bust.
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Barista
14 Aug 2014, 11:22 AM
This nation needs a discussion and narrative which revolves around productivity driving the economy, and a population growth position which adds to productivity.

Flooding the place with loads of migrants is about short cutting the key (productivity) part of the process we need to have, and we are not having that patrt because the vested interests (including both mainstream political parties) don't have the cojones to be honest with people.
Well, sure. But I think you'll find that those who believe in a high-immigration rate economy for Australia are in violent agreement with you about the need for a high-productivity economy for Australia.

What you see as "short-cutting" (with loads of migrants) is what they see as "an efficient path to get there" (with loads of highly-qualified migrants).

The case you have to answer is: why *not* take advantage of Australia's perennial top-ranking among the "best places to live", and its magnetic attraction for highly-qualified migrants, as a basis to grow Australia's economy?

(No doubt, there will be bottom-feeders rorting the process, from both the employer and migrant side. But mate, there are *always* bottom-feeders rorting any process...)
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