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Israel’s Assault on Gaza a 'Hideous Atrocity'
Topic Started: 11 Aug 2014, 07:47 AM (4,261 Views)
goldbug
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I nominate bp for the new Australian terror watch list.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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peter fraser
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A little dark humour -

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/world/middleeast/suicide-bomb-instructor-accidentally-kills-iraqi-pupils.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
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goldbug
12 Aug 2014, 07:34 AM
I nominate bp for the new Australian terror watch list.
I as in You. :lol

Nope dont support terrorism at all. Thats why I dont support what the IDF are doing in Gaza or what ISIS is doing in the ME also.

Clearly you were hoping that we live in a society that accepts attempts to intimidate free speech with threats of being put on a terror watch list.

Australia is not Israel yet. But nice try.

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Black Panther
12 Aug 2014, 10:00 AM
I as in You. :lol

Nope dont support terrorism at all. Thats why I dont support what the IDF are doing in Gaza or what ISIS is doing in the ME also.

Clearly you were hoping that we live in a society that accepts attempts to intimidate free speech with threats of being put on a terror watch list.

Australia is not Israel yet. But nice try.
Well luckily Hamas is already a Terrorist organisation on most watch lists, hence the embargo.

If Gaza wants the embargo lifted, easy vote in a government that is not a terrorist organisation.

Note the West Bank is not embargoed as its government is not firing thousands of rockets into Israel. All the people of Gaza need to do is call a new election and vote a government which is not going to spend all its tax dollars and international donations on missiles, tunnels. Health care, jobs would be a good start.
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Black Panther
12 Aug 2014, 10:00 AM
I as in You. :lol

Nope dont support terrorism at all. Thats why I dont support what the IDF are doing in Gaza or what ISIS is doing in the ME also.

Clearly you were hoping that we live in a society that accepts attempts to intimidate free speech with threats of being put on a terror watch list.

Australia is not Israel yet. But nice try.
HAHAHAHAHA you don't support terrorists but you are just dandy with Hamas?! Bwahahahahahaha, what a freaking idiot

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/world/meast/hamas-explainer/

And you compare ISIS with the IDF, oh man you are like gift that keeps giving. Keep em coming BP you're doing all the heavy lifting for me :lol
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Chris
12 Aug 2014, 01:20 PM
HAHAHAHAHA you don't support terrorists but you are just dandy with Hamas?! Bwahahahahahaha, what a freaking idiot

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/world/meast/hamas-explainer/

And you compare ISIS with the IDF, oh man you are like gift that keeps giving. Keep em coming BP you're doing all the heavy lifting for me :lol
Where did I say I support Terrorism by Hamas wonderboy.

:wak:

And the IDF ARE practicing collective punishment, classic text book terrorism dumbfuck.
Edited by Black Panther, 12 Aug 2014, 01:42 PM.
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sylvester
12 Aug 2014, 01:02 AM
I think I answered you in my previous post.

And if you read the article I linked you might have seen this: "Data published by the New York Times strongly suggest that a very large number—perhaps a majority—of those killed are closer to the combatant end of the continuum than to the civilian end. First of all, the vast majority of those killed have been male rather than female. In an Islamic society, males are far more likely to be combatants than females. Second, most of those killed are within the age range (15-40) that are likely to be combatants. The vast majority of these are male as well. The number of people over 60 who have been killed is infinitesimal. The number of children below the age of 15 is also relatively small, although their pictures have been shown more frequently than others. In other words, the genders and ages of those killed are not representative of the general population of Gaza. It is far more representative of the genders and ages of combatants. These data strongly suggest that a very large percentage of Palestinians killed are on the combatant side of the continuum.

They also prove, as if any proof were necessary to unbiased eyes, that Israel did not target civilians randomly. If it had, the dead would be representative of the Gaza population in general, rather than of the subgroups most closely identified with combatants."

By the way, there has not been anywhere near 1,000 children killed, and this, despite Hamas using children as shields which they hide behind.

As for what greater good? As mentioned before, Israel tries to limit civilian casualties but tell me, what would you do? Imagine thousands of rockets firing into your neighbourhood, with the intent of killing you and everyone surrounding you. Wouldn't you fight back? But those who are firing the rockets are doing so from hospitals and schools. So what then? Just let them keep firing rockets in case you hurt a child in retaliation? Are you really saying you would do nothing to defend yourself in this instance?

Israel is the only country which is condemned for defending herself. No other country is treated like this.
I have never read such nonsense in my life.

The only people counting are the Palestinians. Here are the latest official figures.

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Al-Qodra said the fatalities included 470 children, 343 women and 88 elderly people.


http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2014/08/14/gaza-death-toll-rises-to-1959

Lets assume the figures are bogus by 50%. That still leaves over 200 dead kids, over 150 dead women and over 40 dead pensioners.

How the fuck can you describe that as targeted attacks on militants?

Oh, and by the way, do you think the occupation and denial of basic human rights to 1.8 million people is not going to provoke a response?


Mike
12 Aug 2014, 11:39 AM
Well luckily Hamas is already a Terrorist organisation on most watch lists, hence the embargo.

If Gaza wants the embargo lifted, easy vote in a government that is not a terrorist organisation.

Note the West Bank is not embargoed as its government is not firing thousands of rockets into Israel. All the people of Gaza need to do is call a new election and vote a government which is not going to spend all its tax dollars and international donations on missiles, tunnels. Health care, jobs would be a good start.
Whats a Terrorist organisation though Mike?

This is terrorism writ large.

http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2014/08/14/gaza-death-toll-rises-to-1959
Property acquisition as a topic was almost a national obsession. You couldn't even call it speculation as the buyers all presumed the price of property could only go up. That’s why we use the word obsession. Ordinary people were buying properties for their young children who had not even left school assuming they would not be able to afford property of their own when they left college- Klaus Regling on Ireland. Sound familiar?

The evidence of nearly 40 cycles in house prices for 17 OECD economies since 1970 shows that real house prices typically give up about 70 per cent of their rise in the subsequent fall, and that these falls occur slowly.
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"Oh, and by the way, do you think the occupation and denial of basic human rights to 1.8 million people is not going to provoke a response?"


Now terrorism is justified?' Between you and BP it's gold.

I agree, even one child is an unbelievable loss in these circumstances but your anger and placement of blame is extremely ignorant. Palestine can free itself, the people of that nation have an easy choice but what you fail to realise is the issues go far deeper than the blockade.

You and BP would love to see Palestine with its land back, so is it your position that all jews be removed from Israel? Just to clarify what scenario would you be happy with beyond you juvenile rants about the current military action.

Tells us how you think this should play out long term
Edited by Chris, 16 Aug 2014, 03:06 AM.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If you're an anti-semite, a slanderer of the jews, then you are on the watch list or deserve to be.
Edited by goldbug, 16 Aug 2014, 06:45 AM.
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What else is he wrong about?
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Sober
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"Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Applies in spades to both sides.

Hamas is addicted to asymmetrical warfare, and uses its casualty count as a badge of honor and recruiting tool. In a perpetual slum of 1.8 million, there is always further cannon fodder available. They lack a realistic end goal, but have apparently decided they don't need one.

Israel has held all the cards for the last 4 decades, but mysteriously still can't seal the deal. The Israeli right has turned the invention of new, deal-breaking "facts on the ground" into a self-perpetuating artform, with its own bloody-minded military-political constituency.

They're made for each other.

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