Ah, so you didn't have me on ignore. You were just deliberately ignoring me
I'm merely highlighting the fact that your typical modus operandi is to take a slice of the facts and figures about an issue - specifically, the bit of information that appeal to you - and then blow them up so that instead of being part of the argument, they become the argument.
But simply winning an argument does not necessarily make that argument true. The best, most carefully constructed and skillfully put argument that black is white may end up convincing people but it will not magically cause black to actually become white. Black will still be black and white will still be white. The argument did not help expand anyone's understanding, it probably just led to people being run down on zebra crossings. I'm interested in the truth.
Did I run around waving my arms in the air, shrieking about armageddon when these job figures came out? No. I said that based upon my current level of understanding, the situation is poor but not quite as bad as it looks and there is the possibility (though a weak one I think) that the labour market has actually turned a corner and is showing some small improvement again, albeit very modest. Based on my understanding, I believe that to be the truth of the matter. If the facts are shown to change, I will change my mind.
I never ignore anyone.
I have been a researcher all my life Leftee, the fun in the game for me is dealing with all the facts. I find some of the more negative people on here just don't want to know anything that is positive at all.
Maybe you should let me out of the box you have put me in.
Ex BP Golly
8 Aug 2014, 11:15 AM
Did you hear the joke about the Irishman and his re-inflating house price?
Is it racist?
SuperEgo
8 Aug 2014, 11:18 AM
Should that be call Irish Times
or Goldman Sachs times !!!!
that would have to be the most misleading title ive ever seen.
Cant even be bothered reading the story though
only reports ive heard from Britian is the place is a stinking broke hell hole mess !!!!!
If you cannot find beauty in Ireland you are a lost cause.
Some people have just gotta put others down to build up their own tiny egos. Zenophobes do it to whole countries of people, sounds like you were unfortunate to run into a few in Britain.
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993 The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
Wait until 2018 when the auto manufacturing industry closes and then the 'fun' will start.
I'm surprised there is anyone who actually believes it will take until 2018, I think all will be out by late 2015 early 2016. Everyday they manufacture they are loosing money, that is a huge incentive to stop building ASAP!!!
This is absolutely without precedent. The youth are essentially getting pillaged. I don’t know how someone hasn’t put this together in the MSM and sparked a generational debate yet.
High training costs (deregulated fees), much higher student debts (due to high costs and usurious interest rates), have to be unemployed for six months before you can get ANY employment benefits, then when you do go on benefits you have to lodge 40 applications a month and work 25 hours per week pulling weeds or risk losing the benefits!
There are 50-100k jobs ‘available’/listed and 700k unemployed, employers importing experienced foreign workers for what would normally be entry-level positions. Youth unemployment is over double average unemployment. Combine this with historical record house prices in pretty much all major cities. Not to mention, an ageing population, increasing dependency ratio and generous concessions for retirees to sit on wealth instead of using it to fund their retirement means higher taxes in the future, if the youth do in fact actually find jobs.
With the deck so stacked against the young people of our nation they really need to really come together and organise to put a stop to this. Forget playing a game rigged in favour of the older generations (Young Liberals and Young Labor in particular), organise public disobedience protests, chew the ears off of sympathetic parliamentarians and reverse this increasing trend of disenfranchisement. There are plenty of historical examples to look to for good ways of effecting political change at a grassroots level.
Smart young people are fleeing the nation in droves. To Europe (a Schengen passport is highly coveted among my peers), Canada (2 year working holiday in any industry) and the US (hardest to get into). Anyone who is even slightly cluey realises that trying to enact change of the sort you are talking about isn’t worth the effort of getting into the muddy, disgusting business of modern politics. In a globalised world they can go and ply their trade somewhere else and focus on their own lives.
Those that are interested in politics that don’t leave end up mostly trying to effect change within Young Labor or the Young Libs because they think it’s the most ‘pragmatic’ way to go about it (they couldn’t be more wrong). Instead they get caught up in silly little factional disputes and totally ignore what their parent organisations are doing. Things like fighting with student unions about the locations of their booths at O-Week, and reactionary tactics (eg. Young Libs raiding ‘safe spaces’ for homosexuals on uni campuses).
A few friends and acquaintances have snipped at me because I talk about politics too much (particularly bad policy). Apparently it’s just depressing so they’d rather not think about it at all. Economic issues in particular just don’t seem to be that important to them, despite how much they’re being screwed over for the benefit of others.
Wait until 2018 when the auto manufacturing industry closes and then the 'fun' will start.
Australia will never be able to compete in a global market when it comes to manufacturing unless we have a massive recession and wages fall to competitive levels. Housing construction is not something to base an economy on (look at Ireland and Spain). Looking forward, Australia does have a highly skilled workforce and a strong agricultural sector renowned for producing quality produce. We are also a desirable location for tourists and we are on the doorstep of a growing, wealthy Chinese middle class. What we don't want to do is go for the temporary fix of selling our best properties and businesses to foreign interests. You can only do that once and you can't undo it.
Guest
8 Aug 2014, 03:50 PM
Economic issues in particular just don’t seem to be that important to them, despite how much they’re being screwed over for the benefit of others.
Unfortunately, most people don't care about the economy until it bites them on the arse. They don't realise that economics started two world wars and that economics is the difference between sitting at a table eating steak or foraging in the woods for berries.
I bet if you asked 10 people to tell you within a 20% margin what the current USD/AUD exchange rate was, you would be lucky if you got one to even understand the question.
Matthew, 30 Jan 2016, 09:21 AM Your simplistic view is so flawed it is not worth debating. The current oversupply will be swallowed in 12 months. By the time dumb shits like you realise this prices will already be rising.
I wouldn't say calling something inflatable "my darling Bronagh" was racist.
Oh good that 's OK then
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993 The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
I'm surprised there is anyone who actually believes it will take until 2018, I think all will be out by late 2015 early 2016. Everyday they manufacture they are loosing money, that is a huge incentive to stop building ASAP!!!
I am not surprised at all. Having worked in the auto industry for 20 years I saw Mitsubishi bleed from day one with the 380 when it was released in 2005 and they continued with the model until early 2008. A lot of the development dollars have already been spent.
Common sense is a curse - those who have it need to suffer dealing with those who don't have it.
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