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Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down. 295 dead including 27 Australians.; Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur shot down by surface-to-air missile
Topic Started: 18 Jul 2014, 08:23 AM (15,175 Views)
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vdmruss
18 Jul 2014, 02:34 PM
Putin isn't Dr Evil and doesn't drown kittens, even though the media here really likes to present this image. :mad:
Remind me, why were Pussy Riot jailed again?
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt — Bertrand Russell
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Dr Watson
18 Jul 2014, 02:50 PM
Remind me, why were Pussy Riot jailed again?
For proclaiming loudly and regularly they hated Putin and the establishment church perhaps? And loved feminism and LGBT rights perhaps?

Not much different to you would have been jailed in the West once for such 'offences' maybe Doc?

But anyway, if you don't like it on a superficial level, don't visit there I reckon.
And if you really don't like it on a deep personal moral level, don't buy their oil or gas.

Nothing too complex about that?
Edited by herbie, 18 Jul 2014, 03:14 PM.
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http://www.news.com.au/world/prorussian-separatist-commander-igor-the-terrible-strelkov-allegedly-appears-on-mobile-phone-video-of-mh17-crash-saying-that-was-a-blast/story-fndir2ev-1226993406156


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RUSSIAN rebel military chief Igor ‘The Terrible’ Strelkov has allegedly been filmed in a mobile phone video of MH17 plane as it crashed, gleefully bragging “That was a blast — look at the smoke!”.

Strelkov, who then penned a triumphant war cry on Twitter, saying: “We warned you — do not fly in “our sky”.’

A sickening mobile phone video posted online shows a pall of black smoke billowing over the crash site as three rebels provide an excited commentary.

The extraordinary footage — which was apparently filmed by the shooters themselves — charts the terrible final moments of the doomed airliner.
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Just heard on the radio that the Russians have the black boxes and are refusing to hand them over to international investigators...
There are some people who seem angry and continuously look for conflict.
Walk away, the battle they are fighting isn't with you, it's with themselves.

The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is not enough of anything to satisfy all who want it.
The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. ~ Thomas Sowell.

Who was the fool, who the wise man, who the beggar or the Emperor? Whether rich or poor, all are equal in death.
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Mike
18 Jul 2014, 03:15 PM
Yes Mike, having read the article, there is nothing in there that would convince me poor silly Igor is anything much other than a nutter and a renegade?

PS: If he's the best Putin can come up with, then Vlad is more to be pitied than feared???
Poontang
18 Jul 2014, 03:28 PM
Just heard on the radio that the Russians have the black boxes and are refusing to hand them over to international investigators...
If they have them, they have to hand them over - This one's a bit big for playing silly buggers - IMO.
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herbie
18 Jul 2014, 03:12 PM
For proclaiming loudly and regularly they hated Putin and the establishment church perhaps? And loved feminism and LGBT rights perhaps?

Not much different to you would have been jailed in the West once for such 'offences' maybe Doc?
I don't think you would be jailed for proclaiming "loudly and regularly" that you hate Abbott.
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Dr Watson
18 Jul 2014, 03:41 PM
I don't think you would be jailed for proclaiming "loudly and regularly" that you hate Abbott.
My statement was in the past tense Doc - Don't try twisting my words - Or I'll get all hard on you; I fucking hate fundamentally dishonest 'dislikeable persons'.
Edited by herbie, 18 Jul 2014, 03:47 PM.
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herbie
18 Jul 2014, 03:46 PM
My statement was in the past tense Doc - Don't try twisting my words - Or I'll get all hard on you; I fucking hate fundamentally dishonest 'dislikeable persons'.
You're a bit fired up today, Herbs.
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Dr Watson
18 Jul 2014, 03:57 PM
You're a bit fired up today, Herbs.
It's not every day that you see a cockup like this Doc.

Finding out what really is going on would be best - IMO.

Attempts by the likes of Mike to smear the Russian establishment would seem to be unhelpful - IMO. When the Ukrainian establishment would not seem to be any fundamentally different/better - IMO.

And I don't personally feel that as 'the enlightened West' it is our job to just jump in anywhere and everywhere there is a bunfight going down to insist that they start thinking like we do/seeing things our way anyway.

Which is what we do if there is oil or gas involved - But just pretty much don't seem to give a fuck otherwise ...
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Zero is coming...

Dr Watson
18 Jul 2014, 08:47 AM
A civilian aircraft should not have been flying over what is effectively a war zone where missiles are being fired regularly.
True but it is the same aircraft type that went missing in Asia.
Could be a design fault in the particular model of plane???
Can't count that out.
Or bomb on board??
Not sure if we will ever know.

The Americans will say it is the Russians, the Russians will say we are not sure but we think the war its self is to blame.
The rest of us will chant for our "Teams"
Red v's Blue.
Foxbat v's Phantom.
You know the drill.
Problem is nothing can bring back that 300 people.
No matter who is to "Blame".

A whole world of pain.

Just move to Margaret River man. Forget the rest.

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