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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
Topic Started: 27 May 2014, 01:51 PM (22,705 Views)
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Thatguy
7 Jun 2014, 05:11 PM
However it's quite easy to see that the level of bias is far higher for those who argue against humans having a significant effect on climate change.
That comment reveals your own bias.
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97% consensus shown to be false by peer reviewed study.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421514002821

Does it hurt when you find out that you're being lied to?
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derp
7 Jun 2014, 10:39 PM
97% consensus shown to be false by peer reviewed study.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421514002821

Does it hurt when you find out that you're being lied to?
Actually that link tells us absolutely nothing.

The desperation is really showing now.

Can someone prove beyond doubt that the earth isn't warming up?

I don't think so.
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You couldn't read the abstract? Now you're really showing your ignorance. An abstract is a summary of the key findings of the research paper. Here I'll copy and paste it for you.

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A claim has been that 97% of the scientific literature endorses anthropogenic climate change (Cook et al., 2013. Environ. Res. Lett. 8, 024024). This claim, frequently repeated in debates about climate policy, does not stand. A trend in composition is mistaken for a trend in endorsement. Reported results are inconsistent and biased. The sample is not representative and contains many irrelevant papers. Overall, data quality is low. Cook׳s validation test shows that the data are invalid. Data disclosure is incomplete so that key results cannot be reproduced or tested.


Oh, and if you wish to read the full article then you will need to pay for it. I think it's $13. Surely a small price to pay for someone who wishes to know the actual truth??
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peter fraser
8 Jun 2014, 09:23 AM
Actually that link tells us absolutely nothing.

The desperation is really showing now.
The link shows the 'consensus' claim is false.

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Can someone prove beyond doubt that the earth isn't warming up?

I don't think so.
Can someone prove beyond doubt that the earth is warming up? I don't think so. The data shows no warming for nearly two decades, and while the alarmists try to create doubt by claiming the warming is now hiding under the sea, they still can't explain why that would suddenly start happening now, nor why surface temperatures are no longer warming up, nor why Antarctic sea ice is at record levels.

But I assume that since the alarmists believe man is responsible for climate change, then they must believe man is responsible for the past two decades of relative temperature stability (even though CO2 emissions have continued to rise). The logical conclusion therefore is that current levels of CO2 emissions must be creating a stable climate, so we should keep emissions at current levels rather than reduce them back down to the levels that used to cause global warming.
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Zero is coming...

That would be a start Shadow,
But no one can prove that humans are doing it.


http://static.springer.com/sgw/documents/650498/application/pdf/978-1-4020-4551-6_Sea+Level+Change,+Last+250+Million+Years_Miller_web.pdf

And what would the Russians and Canadians think about a little global warming :D

Always to sides to a coin.

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8 Jun 2014, 11:55 AM
Now, now Mustapha, that's just too scientific for the feeble minded man-made global warming alarmists. They need to brainwashed alarmist doomsday predictions, so they can blaim the capitalist greedy pigs.
Also the fact that seas rose naturally 126metres in 1000 after the last ice age 11000yrs ago at the end of the Younger Dryas periid (without man-made warming), so a small 30cm rise by 2100 (based on even the IPCC documented sea-level rise rate of 3.1mm/yr in it's reports), is insignificant and not statistically significant above natural rises and falls.
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Shadow
8 Jun 2014, 11:42 AM
The link shows the 'consensus' claim is false.


Can someone prove beyond doubt that the earth is warming up? I don't think so. The data shows no warming for nearly two decades, and while the alarmists try to create doubt by claiming the warming is now hiding under the sea, they still can't explain why that would suddenly start happening now, nor why surface temperatures are no longer warming up, nor why Antarctic sea ice is at record levels.

But I assume that since the alarmists believe man is responsible for climate change, then they must believe man is responsible for the past two decades of relative temperature stability (even though CO2 emissions have continued to rise). The logical conclusion therefore is that current levels of CO2 emissions must be creating a stable climate, so we should keep emissions at current levels rather than reduce them back down to the levels that used to cause global warming.
The link makes a statement but proves nothing.

You guys have found your religion and good for you, but until proven wrong I'll ignore the homespun theories and I'll go with the body of scientific thought.

It matters little whether the warming is caused by man or nature, if it's happening then prepare for it. However I do take the view that transitioning from fossil fuels to renewables will have two beneficial effects.

(1) it will reduce the level of CO2 and other gas emissions in the atmosphere, and

(2) it will reduce our dependency on fossil fuels, which is a fuel source with limitations that we may be close to reaching.

http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Climate/Adapting/coastal-property-sea-level-rise.aspx

cheers.

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan
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Strindberg
7 Jun 2014, 06:34 PM
That comment reveals your own bias.
Are you 11? Obviously we could do a he said, she said situation here. However my point was that to go against experts on the subject and only cling to fringe views (mostly internet published) shows some inherent bias. Perhaps you are saying I'm biased for putting more eggs in the overwhelming number of research agencies who say anthropogenic global warming is real?

If you want to get famous in science just prove the majority wrong. You guys are hanging out in the wrong places if you think you have evidence that global warming isn't a threat. A Nobel prize awaits.


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