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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
Topic Started: 27 May 2014, 01:51 PM (22,673 Views)
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 06:28 PM
Shadow: 'Why didn't the ice absorb all the heat during the past 100 years too?'
Massive: 'It has been'
That's a quote from massive, massive is not Peter, is it really this confusing for you?
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Shadow: 'why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming'
Peter: 'Because additional heat is require to turn ice into water'


Peter's theory is that the warming stopped 20 years ago because it started being absorbed into ice.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:31 PM
Shadow: 'why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming'
Peter: 'Because additional heat is require to turn ice into water'


Peter's theory is that the warming stopped 20 years ago because it started being absorbed into ice.
I still don't see where Peter mentions all the heat, as in your assertion...

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Peter's theory is that ALL the warming started being absorbed by ice two decades ago.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:34 PM
I still don't see where Peter mentions all the heat, as in your assertion...
For atmospheric warming to stop, ALL the heat has to go somewhere...

Shadow: 'why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming'
Peter: 'Because additional heat is require to turn ice into water'


Peter says the warming stopped because the ice started absorbing the heat. If it wasn't absorbing all the heat then warming would continue.
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 06:37 PM.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:35 PM
For atmospheric warming to stop, ALL the heat has to go somewhere...

Shadow: 'why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming'
Peter: 'Because additional heat is require to turn ice into water'
No, some has to remain in the atmosphere, to maintain the temperature. Some goes into the ocean, and some goes into the ice caps, there is specific thresholds that materials have for their capacity to absorb heat, water takes more heat than the atmosphere, for example.
Edited by Kulganis, 27 Jun 2014, 06:42 PM.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:39 PM
No, some has to remain in the atmosphere, to maintain the temperature.
When we refer to all the heat, we're obviously talking about all the heat that was previously causing atmospheric temperatures to rise, not any heat that was keeping temperatures stable - i.e. we're talking about all the excess heat supposedly created by human CO2 emissions that was supposedly causing global warming. Peter's position is that all that excess heat started being absorbed by ice approximately 20 years ago.

Do you agree? Do you believe global warming stopped approx. two decades ago because ice started absorbing the heat?

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Some goes into the ocean, and some goes into the ice caps, there is specific thresholds that materials have for their capacity to absorb heat, water takes more heat than the atmosphere, for example.
Why did the oceans and ice caps only start absorbing all the excess heat two decades ago. Prior to that, atmospheric temperatures were rising.
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 06:48 PM.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:44 PM
When we refer to all the heat, we're obviously talking about all the heat that was previously causing atmospheric temperatures to rise - i.e. all the excess heat supposedly created by human CO2 emissions that was supposedly causing global warming. Peter's position is that all that excess heat started being absorbed by ice approximately 20 years ago.

When you take the pot off the stove, the water cools down, if warming had stopped, like taking the pot off the stove, the atmosphere should have cooled, rather dramatically, it hasn't, it's been maintained, which means some of the heat that was there previously is still there.

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Do you agree? Do you believe global warming stopped approx. two decades ago because ice started absorbing the heat?
No, I don't agree, I agree with Peter, but not with your bastardisation of his argument. Global, includes the ice caps. Global warming has continued on its merry way.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:49 PM
When you take the pot off the stove, the water cools down, if warming had stopped, like taking the pot off the stove, the atmosphere should have cooled, rather dramatically, it hasn't, it's been maintained, which means some of the heat that was there previously is still there
But what happened to all the heat that was previously causing atmospheric temperatures to rise? Where has all that extra heat gone?

If you believe all that extra heat started being absorbed by ice/sea two decades ago, then why wasn't the ice/sea able to absorb it all during the previous 100 years when temperatures were rising?
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 06:55 PM.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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27 Jun 2014, 06:44 PM
Why did the oceans and ice caps only start absorbing all the excess heat two decades ago. Prior to that, atmospheric temperatures were rising.
The atmosphere can only accept so much heat before it forces it into the ocean, where the ocean can only accept so much heat before it forces it into the ice caps, at some stage, we'll get to the point where the ice caps can't accept anymore heat.

I was sure you would understand, this is cycles, you love cycles don't you?
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27 Jun 2014, 06:55 PM
The atmosphere can only accept so much heat before it forces it into the ocean, where the ocean can only accept so much heat before it forces it into the ice caps, at some stage, we'll get to the point where the ice caps can't accept anymore heat.
So your theory is that 20 years ago the atmosphere suddenly could no longer hold any more heat and started putting the heat into the ocean?
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