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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
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peter fraser
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Kulganis
27 Jun 2014, 04:27 PM
I probably shouldn't confuse the poor dear, but...

It is a theory, just not the everyday use of the word theory...

Gravity is a theory, just not the everyday use of the word theory...

A theory isn't a guess, but a well substantiated hypothesis, backed up by evidence. It's not like an ABS Estimation.
Well you will confuse people.

Lets just say that some things are accepted as knowledge whilst some are still contentious theories.

The way that water and ice behave when heat is applied was one of the very first heat experiments conducted by early enquiring minds before the days of real scientific knowledge, indeed this is one of the foundation stones of our scientific knowledge. Not quite quantum theory but still important.

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Massive
27 Jun 2014, 04:33 PM
great strawman, u really are one of the best ...
It's because he/she/it relies on big business interests to filter out the meaningful information. The constant use of DM, wattsupwiththat, Heartland, Monckton, Spencer, and so on, confirms that he/she/it has no care to learn basic science. Only to regurgitate the badly chewed creations of groups who have an interest in keeping the status quo going.
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Zero is coming...

Al Gore.

Peter
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Mustapha Mond
27 Jun 2014, 05:19 PM
Al Gore.

Peter
What do you think about him joining Clive Palmer on stage the other day?
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peter fraser
27 Jun 2014, 04:24 PM
It's accepted fact
Your theory that atmospheric warming ended two decades ago because ice reached a threshold temperature that suddenly allowed it to begin absorbing all the global warming is not an accepted fact. The theory is not mentioned anywhere in the IPCC's reports. I've never seen it mentioned anywhere before. The IPCC do present many possible explanations for the cessation of atmospheric warming, but your theory isn't one of them.


Massive
27 Jun 2014, 04:33 PM
they are saying temperatures are continuing to rise, and current climactic conditions have seen that in the last decade a lot of that heat is being stored in the oceans due to Pacific Ocean Oscillation / La Nina
If that were true, then isn't it likely the absence or reverse of those Pacific Ocean Oscillation / La Nina conditions were responsible for the prior warming (by releasing a lot of the heat stored in the oceans)?

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Why didn't the ice absorb all the heat during the past 100 years too?
It has been
If the ice has been absorbing all the heat during the past 100 years then how did atmospheric temperatures rise? You can't claim global temperature stopped rising for two decades because ice started absorbing all the heat, while also claiming that the ice was absorbing all that heat during the previous 100 years when global temperatures were rising.
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 06:16 PM.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 06:04 PM
Your theory that atmospheric warming ended two decades ago because ice reached a threshold temperature that suddenly allowed it to begin absorbing all the global warming is not an accepted fact. The theory is not mentioned anywhere in the IPCC's reports. I've never seen it mentioned anywhere before. The IPCC do present many possible explanations for the cessation of atmospheric warming, but your theory isn't one of them.
You are now writing absolute gibberish - sorry but that's what it is.

You can do better than this garbage.

Go and have another try.
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Kulganis
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 06:04 PM
If the ice has been absorbing all the heat during the past 100 years then how did atmospheric temperatures rise? You can't claim global temperature stopped rising for two decades because ice started absorbing all the heat, while also claiming that the ice was absorbing all that heat during the previous 100 years when global temperatures were rising.
No one has said all the heat.

You're an intelligent moron.
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Kulganis
27 Jun 2014, 06:21 PM
No one has said all the heat.
Peter's theory is that ALL the warming started being absorbed by ice two decades ago.

Massive (who I was replying to) said the ice has been absorbing all the heat....

Shadow: 'Why didn't the ice absorb all the heat during the past 100 years too?'
Massive: 'It has been'



peter fraser
27 Jun 2014, 06:18 PM
You are now writing absolute gibberish - sorry but that's what it is.

You can do better than this garbage.
If you can't understand what I've written you could politely ask me to rephrase... there's no need for abuse.

You say warming ended because ice reached a temperature that allowed it to begin absorbing the warming.

The IPCC present various possible reasons why the warming ended, but that's not one of them.
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 06:27 PM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 06:22 PM
Peter's theory is that ALL the warming started being absorbed by ice two decades ago.
1. Quote Peter saying that. (surely it wouldn't be hard, I just can't be arsed debunking you bullshit anymore)

2. If it is Peters theory, why was your statement in reply to massive?
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry

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Kulganis
27 Jun 2014, 06:27 PM
1. Quote Peter saying that. (surely it wouldn't be hard, I just can't be arsed debunking you bullshit anymore)
Shadow: 'why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming'
Peter: 'Because additional heat is require to turn ice into water'


Kulganis
27 Jun 2014, 06:27 PM
2. If it is Peters theory, why was your statement in reply to massive?
Shadow: 'Why didn't the ice absorb all the heat during the past 100 years too?'
Massive: 'It has been'

Shadow: 'If the ice has been absorbing all the heat during the past 100 years then how did atmospheric temperatures rise?'
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 06:34 PM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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