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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
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Kulganis
26 Jun 2014, 11:58 PM
It's not natural that the fossil fuels we dig/pump up, and burn, release tonnes of CO2 directly into the atmosphere
Humans have been burning stuff and therefore releasing CO2 since we first discovered fire, so I would argue that it is natural. The pertinent question is whether or not current emissions are toxic, and the answer is that they are not.

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Wrong, we can distinguish between natural and manmade sources
Can the climate distinguish between them? A different isotope balance doesn't make it toxic.
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26 Jun 2014, 11:32 PM
Why should I answer your question when you refuse to answer mine?

I'm happy to answer yours, but you first.
the atmosphere.
I have answered your question, I've told you that it's idiotic.

It's Ok I'll let you do some homework. When you look at the graph you will understand what may be the reason for the seeming lack of heat gains. You won't admit it of course, but at least you may understand.

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27 Jun 2014, 12:00 AM
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You do realise all their models were shown to be wrong, right? Even the ones they were 95% certain about...

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peter fraser
27 Jun 2014, 12:16 AM
I have answered your question, I've told you that it's idiotic.
That's just being rude - it's not actually answering the question.

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When you look at the graph you will understand what may be the reason for the seeming lack of heat gains
I already understand the reason for the seeming lack of heat gains.

The reason is a lack of heat gains.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 12:15 AM
Humans have been burning stuff and therefore releasing CO2 since we first discovered fire,
That's true but the use of fossil fuels has been exponential for many decades now, so the quantity of carbon emissions has also been increasing exponentially.

that's hardly natural. this isn't just a few hunter gatherers roasting a kill over a fire.
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27 Jun 2014, 12:20 AM
That's true but the use of fossil fuels has been exponential for many decades now, so the quantity of carbon emissions has also been increasing exponentially.
And kept increasing over the past 20 years, yet there was no further warming.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 12:18 AM

That's just being rude - it's not actually answering the question.


No the question was idiotic, I was being honest not rude.

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I already understand the reason for the seeming lack of heat gains.

The reason is a lack of heat gain.


Come on you're a smart guy, you can do better than that.

Google it.
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peter fraser
27 Jun 2014, 12:23 AM
No the question was idiotic, I was being honest not rude.
It's possible to express an honest opinion both politely and impolitely. You chose the impolite approach.

If human CO2 emissions caused atmospheric warming for 100 years, then why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming?
Edited by Shadow, 27 Jun 2014, 12:27 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 12:18 AM
You do realise all their models were shown to be wrong, right? Even the ones they were 95% certain about...

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That's awesome, from wattsupwiththat (a Heartland shill), to the source... Big Oil... A shell blog, love your work Shadow, too bad you're not helping your case.
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Kulganis
27 Jun 2014, 12:28 AM
That's awesome, from wattsupwiththat (a Heartland shill), to the source... Big Oil... A shell blog, love your work Shadow, too bad you're not helping your case.
Do you have some evidence to show that the data in the chart is incorrect, or is it just convenient for you to attack the messenger?

Even the IPCC admit their models were wrong. The fact that the models were wrong is no longer disputed by anyone, except you it seems... :re:

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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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27 Jun 2014, 12:22 AM
And kept increasing over the past 20 years, yet there was no further warming.
I've been trying to explain that the global ice and water mass can experience heat gain without temperature gains.

Don't they teach physics in Ireland - here is a high school explanation which you may find useful'

http://www.chemteam.info/Thermochem/Time-Temperature-Graph.html
Shadow
27 Jun 2014, 12:25 AM
It's possible to express an honest opinion both politely and impolitely. You chose the impolite approach.

That's not correct, I was quite polite.

I called the question idiotic, not you.

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If human CO2 emissions caused atmospheric warming for 100 years, then why 20 years ago did increasing CO2 emissions suddenly stop causing atmospheric warming?


Because additional heat is require to turn ice into water, although it doesn't alter the temperature of the ice or the water.

It's basic physics and it can't be argued against at standard atmospheric pressure.
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