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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
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Massive
26 Jun 2014, 10:05 PM
the volcano hasnt erupted yet, "you fucking twit"
Do you think maybe it's just possible that volcanoes don't actually need to erupt in order to cause the areas above them to warm up?
Sweetdish
26 Jun 2014, 10:01 PM
if you can prove that climate change is not man made then you will receive $10K
Pretty easy to do. The climate changed before man existed.

There. Done.
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26 Jun 2014, 10:22 PM
Is there anything man made global warming can't do? Seems it can cause warming, cooling, more ice, less ice, more storms, less storms etc etc.

Is there any future outcome that alarmists couldn't spin as being caused by man made global warming?

How will the alarmists ever know if man made global warming has stopped, since every possible future outcome could potentially be the result of man made global warming?
I guess that it's easier to ignore the science when it becomes challenging. Although it's not that difficult to understand.
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26 Jun 2014, 09:56 PM
Global warming aside - have you been to a location country that suffers from the pollution of humans?... book a plane ticket to Tianjin, China or somewhere similar and see how long it takes for your eyes to water, or your skin to peel. There is no excuse for us not to put clean energy and industry on the agenda.
Totally agree that cleaning up pollution is a worthwhile endeavor, but CO2 is not pollution - it's a normal part of the atmosphere.

And let's not pretend that cleaning up pollution will stop the climate from changing.

Did you manage to figure out a reason why alarmists said human CO2 emissions caused atmospheric warming for 100 years, but then 20 years ago it suddenly started causing ocean warming instead? It's not as if we reduced our CO2 emissions 20 years ago. We actually increased them. Yet for some reason the atmospheric warming stopped. Here's a thought... maybe the human CO2 emissions weren't responsible for the warming in the first place? Maybe the warming was really caused by the same things that caused warming for billions of years before humans existed?
peter fraser
26 Jun 2014, 10:29 PM
I guess that it's easier to ignore the science when it becomes challenging.
Is that why you ignore it?

You didn't answer my question... is there any future outcome that alarmists couldn't possibly say is caused by man made global warming?
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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26 Jun 2014, 10:31 PM
Is that why you ignore it?

You didn't answer my question... is there any future outcome that alarmists couldn't possibly say is caused by man made global warming?
well it's a leading question and a fairly silly one at that.

I don't want to talk on the wrong level here, but do you know what a temperature graph of ice transitioning to water looks like when heat is introduced to a block of ice?
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26 Jun 2014, 10:31 PM
but CO2 is not pollution - it's a normal part of the atmosphere.
Would you say Asbestos is not a pollutant? It's a natural part of the planet. How about Cyanide? It's found in apple seeds.

Even water could be called a pollutant, or are you suggesting that people can't drown, because we are almost 70% water?
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26 Jun 2014, 10:44 PM
Would you say Asbestos is not a pollutant? It's a natural part of the planet. How about Cyanide? It's found in apple seeds.

Even water could be called a pollutant, or are you suggesting that people can't drown, because we are almost 70% water?
No, I don't think water, apple seeds or asbestos are pollutants.

Water can become polluted, but is not itself a pollutant.

Apple seeds contain very small amounts of cyanide, and are not harmful because they pass through the body undigested.

Asbestos is not a pollutant unless it removed from its natural environment and put somewhere it doesn't belong.

CO2 belongs in the atmosphere and is created naturally, therefore it is not a pollutant.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
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Shadow
26 Jun 2014, 10:31 PM
Totally agree that cleaning up pollution is a worthwhile endeavor, but CO2 is not pollution - it's a normal part of the atmosphere.

And let's not pretend that cleaning up pollution will stop the climate from changing.

Did you manage to figure out a reason why alarmists said human CO2 emissions caused atmospheric warming for 100 years, but then 20 years ago it suddenly started causing ocean warming instead? It's not as if we reduced our CO2 emissions 20 years ago. We actually increased them. Yet for some reason the atmospheric warming stopped. Here's a thought... maybe the human CO2 emissions weren't responsible for the warming in the first place? Maybe the warming was really caused by the same things that caused warming for billions of years before humans existed?

Is that why you ignore it?
CO2 IS pollution... there is a "natural" amount in our atmosphere - and too much is toxic.

here's something from nasa for kids to help you out
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Carbon dioxide levels have gone sky-high in the past 100 years. Many scientists think that 350 ppm is a much healthier number and that we should try to reduce our use of fossil fuels to get that number back

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http://climatekids.nasa.gov/health-report-air/


regarding temperature and CO2 are you referring to this ? the misinterpreted document from NASA
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/28/a-misinterpreted-claim-about-a-nasa-press-release-co2-solar-flares-and-the-thermosphere-is-making-the-rounds/



it cant be global temperatures surely ? i know you love charts that only go back 10 years...


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peter fraser
26 Jun 2014, 10:42 PM
well it's a leading question and a fairly silly one at that
There are no silly questions, only silly answers.

Is there any future outcome that alarmists couldn't possibly say is caused by man made global warming?

If you don't want to answer that's fine, I understand why.
Massive
26 Jun 2014, 11:02 PM
CO2 IS pollution... there is a "natural" amount in our atmosphere - and too much is toxic
Too much of anything can be toxic, but the amount of CO2 created by man is tiny compared to the amount created naturally, and is nowhere near toxic levels.
Massive
26 Jun 2014, 11:02 PM
it cant be global temperatures surely ? i know you love charts that only go back 10 years
Actually I prefer charts that go back as far as possible, I prefer to see all available data. Here's one that goes back quite far...

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Kind of puts the recent warming in perspective, right?

What do you think caused all the warming in the past (before man emitted CO2), and why do you think those think those things no longer cause warming?

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1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
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26 Jun 2014, 11:02 PM
it cant be global temperatures surely ? i know you love charts that only go back 10 years...
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And the world cooled from 1790-1830 by 0.8deg C due to the Dalton Solar Minimum. It then heated up again with stronger solar activity since 1830's. Notice how all the man-made global warming graphs NEVER go back past early 1800's.
See that little blip up an the end. That's you "man-made global warming. :re:

Also put you current "man-made" CO2 global warming into perspective you fool. Were still well below the average temperature over the last 10000 yrs. And the end of the last ice-age Younger Dryas - saw global temperatures rise naturally 10deg C in a decade in some parts of the world.
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26 Jun 2014, 09:03 PM
if climate change acts as another catalyst leaves to cleaner, less polluting technologies - i dont think that is a bad thing .... the worst we can do is make the change and find out we weren't having an effect anyway, but have less cities on the earth like Tianjin where your eyes burn in their sockets from the air.

if its proven the humans are a factor and made the changes , then we've made the earth's atmosphere cleaner AND stopped some potential envirtonmental disasters

i find it unbelievable that people will go out of their way to put a roadblock into cleaner lifestyles - that may also have positive effects on the habitability of our planet
How much extra tax are you willing to pay in order to try and prevent the climate from changing?

Let's say you give up $5000 a year for the next fifty years, and then in fifty years time the data says the climate is still changing.

Was your money well spent?

You spent a quarter of a million dollars, and the climate is still changing.

Perhaps that money would have been better spent on medical research, or housing the homeless, or delivering food to the starving around the world.

Everything has a cost. Every dollar spent trying to stop the climate from changing could be spent doing something that would actually help people.
Edited by Shadow, 26 Jun 2014, 11:18 PM.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
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