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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
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26 Jun 2014, 09:25 PM
antarctic sea ice is increasing as arctic sea ice reduces which is causing the ice mass to be level
So total ice hasn't really changed, and sea temperatures are cooling. So where is all that warming hiding? What reason do the alarmists give for why human CO2 emissions caused atmospheric warming for 100 years, but then 20 years ago it suddenly (allegedly) started causing ocean warming instead?
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26 Jun 2014, 09:41 PM
and do you notice a general trend line since 1900's ?
yes, and do you know why. Read up on the Dalton Solar minimum 1790-1830. Global temperatures FELL 0.8deg C during the dalton solar minimum. The Maunder solar minimum 1650-1700's was the coldest part also of the Earth's Little Ice Age.

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26 Jun 2014, 09:37 PM
Couldn't let this bullshit go without comment. Polio vaccinations, hyperinflation, smoking, driving while drunk, having unprotected sex in a Nairobi brothel; the list is endless where 97% plus of experts agree on things.
Show me the evidence that 97% or more experts are in complete agreement about those things.

I guarantee if you randomly select 100 experts around the world and ask them a question about those things they will not all give the same answer.
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26 Jun 2014, 09:25 PM
but at the same time.. antarctic ice mass ( land) is reducing
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Very selective!!!

East Antarctica (which is 90% of the Antarctica mass) is increasing. West Antarctica volume is falling.

BUT West Antarctica is FUCKING melting because there is a Volcano and hotspots underneath the ice you FUCKING TWIT :re:
man-made CO2, or volcanic LAVA. Which one melts ice more, moron. :re:

Hidden Volcanoes Melt Antarctic Glaciers from Below

Volcanic rift valley under Antarctica hotter than expected

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26 Jun 2014, 09:48 PM
yes, and do you know why. Read up on the Dalton Solar minimum 1790-1830. Global temperatures FELL 0.8deg C during the dalton solar minimum. The Maunder solar minimum 1650-1700's was the coldest part also of the Earth's Little Ice Age.

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Is Global Warming Solar or Man-made?

The vested interests on both sides of the argument between the ``greenhouse'' party and the ``solar warming'' party are obvious. Scientifically, the meteorologists, climatologists, and atmospheric physicists, who were responsible for ``discovering'' the human contribution to the terrestrial greenhouse effect, have been the most consistent champions of its importance, while the solar physics community, and especially those interested in solar-terrestrial relations, have increasingly stressed the possible importance of the long-term variations of the solar constant as the chief cause of climate change. Both communities tend to take the change for granted, and to neglect any purely statistical or chaotic effects which could lead to excursions of the Earth's surface temperature during periods of a couple of decades, without requiring a secular change either in the solar constant or in atmospheric transparency. In addition, the debate is conditioned by more powerful vested-interest groups. The oil industry in all its guises would obviously like to believe, and would like the public to believe, that greenhouse warming has been greatly exaggerated, and exploits any genuine scientific differences to undermine the credibility of the climatologists. Solar physics has been losing ground steadily compared with other branches of astrophysics during the past few decades, and many of its practicioners have seen solar climate change as a chance to move into an area where funding may be more assured. These aspirations are of course legitimate, and there is indeed much work to be done in the field, but one should be aware of the political background to this delicate issue, and not fall into the trap of using possible solar warming as an excuse for delay in reducing man-made emissions of greenhouse gases. Whatever the magnitude of the effects of these in the long term, there is no doubt that their concentration has increased dramatically in the past 30 years, and that for many reasons this is not a desirable path to follow


http://www.solarstorms.org/SunLikeStars.html


Global warming aside - have you been to a location country that suffers from the pollution of humans?... book a plane ticket to Tianjin, China or somewhere similar and see how long it takes for your eyes to water, or your skin to peel. There is no excuse for us not to put clean energy and industry on the agenda.
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Here is something for you intellectually challenged key board warriors and climate "sceptics".
if you can prove that climate change is not man made then you will receive $10K.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/comment-page-3/

While you are at it maybe show us how evolution is a scam and the earth is 200 years old?
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26 Jun 2014, 09:47 PM
So total ice hasn't really changed, and sea temperatures are cooling. So where is all that warming hiding? What reason do the alarmists give for why human CO2 emissions caused atmospheric warming for 100 years, but then 20 years ago it suddenly (allegedly) started causing ocean warming instead?
It will sound counterintuitive but warming can produce cooler oceans as ice melts in one area, which can cause ice sheets in another area.

It's the mass of ice that matters not the number of square kilometres of the ocean surface covered by ice. Scientists are starting to measure the lift in the earths crust to estimate the mass of ice lost to melting, the area covered doesn't tell the whole story.

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26 Jun 2014, 09:55 PM
Very selective!!!

East Antarctica (which is 90% of the Antarctica mass) is increasing. West Antarctica volume is falling.

BUT West Antarctica is FUCKING melting because there is a Volcano and hotspots underneath the ice you FUCKING TWIT :re:
man-made CO2, or volcanic LAVA. Which one melts ice more, moron. :re:
did you read that article you pulled your chart from by any chance ?

the volcano hasnt erupted yet, "you fucking twit" - the risk of volcanic activity is from the melting sheet ice.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/fire-and-ice-melting-antarctic-poses-risk-of-volcanic-activity-study-shows-20140520-zrj06.html
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New research on the effects of ice sheet melt in the Antarctic shows climate change is deforming the Earth’s crust, potentially prompting volcanic activity that could cause global sea-levels to rise much more than predicted.

“It’s one of the big unknowns: If something starts to happen with one of those volcanoes, our estimates of what sea levels might be like in the future may have a significant revision”, he said, adding “fire and ice generally don’t go well together”.

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26 Jun 2014, 10:04 PM
It will sound counterintuitive but warming can produce cooler oceans as ice melts in one area, which can cause ice sheets in another area
Is there anything man made global warming can't do? Seems it can cause warming, cooling, more ice, less ice, more storms, less storms etc etc.

Is there any future outcome that alarmists couldn't spin as being caused by man made global warming?

How will the alarmists ever know if man made global warming has stopped, since every possible future outcome could potentially be the result of man made global warming?
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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26 Jun 2014, 10:05 PM
the volcano hasnt erupted yet, "you fucking twit" - the risk of volcanic activity is from the melting sheet ice.


It does not have to erupt. The area is full of hotspots melting the ice and glacier from underneath. The heat from the hotspots under the glacier is in some areas 3 times the average geothermal heat as the average heat flow of the Earth’s continents. So the hotspots are creating you "global warming" in West Antarctica.
Basically West Antarctica is sitting on a slow cooker!!
I guess that's why the "climate" experts say the decline of West Antarctica is irreversable. It would be hard for humans to stop volcanic activity and natural hotspots I assume, and that know it, but blaming CO2 is so convenient. :re: And over time, the volcanic hotspots will eventually melt away West Antarctica completely - bad, bad humans.
Meanwhile, East Antarctica is GROWING!!. And East Antarctica is 90% of the land mass of Antarctica, and is 1000m thicker on average than West Antarctica. West Antarctica is tiny by comparison.

According to lead author Dustin Shroeder (who now works at NASA), these appear to be distributed over a much wider area than previously thought. The minimum average geothermal heat flow beneath Thwaites glacier is about 100 milliwatts per square metre, with some hotspots reaching 200 milliwatts per square metre. This is considerably higher than the average heat flow of the Earth’s continents, at less than 65 milliwatts per square metre.

Detecting such high geothermal heat flux within this part of West Antarctic Rift means that there is likely to be much more water beneath Thwaites glacier. The presence of water can lubricate and speed up the flow of glaciers, even in the deep interior of the ice sheet kilometres beneath the surface.

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