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Global Warming: Glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets are collapsing, and it's unstoppable; How the planet's ice cover is being altered by climate change
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SteveC
25 Jun 2014, 08:45 PM
Dave, you don't like people poking fun at you in this debate, but like poking fun at grown men who still believe in father christmas, or that the earth is flat, its hard not to at the climate change deniers. You can come up with a short list of scientists who either deny or who have doubts, but ignore the thousands that are convinced. Can you name one national body of scientist in the world that isn't convinced? Just one? You can't because there isn't one. Of course the consensus is not 100%, but near enough (despite your denials even about that) for it to be a genuine consensus. There are scientists who deny the benefits of vaccinations, but they are in a tiny minority and we don't take them seriously either.


Ha Ha! I'm firmly of the view you flat earthers will disappear in 10 years when the building evidence against you becomes incontrovertible. The consensus lie is fully debunked already, theres been zero warming in 17 years (its not lurking in the salty depths either). The naivety of you flat earthers to think the sun stopped causing climate changes when humans came on the scene is breathtaking!
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Dave
25 Jun 2014, 08:56 PM
The consensus lie is fully debunked already,
Don't think so Dave! Rather than go round in circles putting up graphs, I think I'll go with every national organisations of scientists in the world who are part of the consensus on climate change, and you can go with the tiny minority, often paid by the fossil fuel interests, who have their doubts.
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roberto
25 Jun 2014, 07:32 PM
I'm sorry 888, but you have still failed to offer any credible source contesting the fact of AGW. The scientific body you quote is very prestigious but that does not disqualify them from errors. What you are inferring in fact, is a form of logic that says that errors made in earlier work disqualifies all later work.
It's not an "error" you halfwit. The Man-Made Global Warming Religion is apparently a settled science and not up for discussions.
Yet, EVERY prediction is proving to be spectacularly inaccurate. Not more so than in 2006 the "scientific consensus" on trade winds SLOWING due to global warming. The complete opposite has happened, and is now used an excuse to say the warming is "hiding" in the oceans.
I honestly can't believe the absolute stupidity of the man-made global warming religion. It's a religion, a cult, and you halfwits have been sucked into it. IT"S the SUN!!!. The man-made global warming scam gets the organisations a huge amount of grant money, a bottomless pit of money, a gravy train.

On the trading winds they were 100% certain (not 97% :re: ). "One of the most robust predictions of climate change is that this Walker circulation should slow down". BIG flop that one. If they aren't even correct on something they were 100% sure off, what hope when every other alarmist prediction is proving as inaccurate.

2006 - Trade winds weaken with global warming
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The weakening of the Walker current is one of the most consistent predictions of climate change models. "One of the most robust predictions of climate change is that this Walker circulation should slow down, so we wanted to test that prediction to see how good the models are. Right now they are the only thing we have to guide us into the future," said Dr Vecchi.


2014 - with the trade winds accelerating, the "robust' models and predictions are clearly FU##ED!. BIG FAIL ON THAT TEST!

Anyway, read up on Solar Cycles (in particular solar cycle 25 onward (starting 2019). Weakening. Cooling in the 2020;s and 2030;s like EVERY other 200yr solar cycle before it. See ya twits. :bye: Signing off this forum for halfwits, and whinging losers.


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SteveC
25 Jun 2014, 11:36 PM
Don't think so Dave! Rather than go round in circles putting up graphs, I think I'll go with every national organisations of scientists in the world who are part of the consensus on climate change, and you can go with the tiny minority, often paid by the fossil fuel interests, who have their doubts.
You feel safer following the herd, I get it, you lack ability to think for yourself and must blindly follow the herd, thats OK with me, at least with that attitude you'll eventually end up on the right side with me and the other independent thinkers when the herd changes direction.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
That's an impressive list of scientists in your link Dave unregistered, but it is not what I asked for.

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Please feel free to reply to the offer in my ealier post about evidence from recognised scientific bodies that counter claims AGW is a reality


If there is any truth in what you believe it should not be hard for you to find one scientific body, such as a university facilty, that collectively publish papers showing their science. Hundreds of individual scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes does not constitute a scientific body dave, just a list of individual scientists that want their opinions heard.

Having said though your list of scientists do in fact believe in global warming, and conceed that part of the warming is man made. So they are getting there, and as more and more evidence piles up you will find more and more will move to the AGW camp. If they are are true scientists that is.
Investor888
25 Jun 2014, 11:46 PM
Unquotable

Sorry 888, but once you lose the ability to reply in a rational manner and begin abuse the game is over and your credibility is lost. Do not expect any further discourse from me on this important subject.

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25 Jun 2014, 11:52 PM
and as more and more evidence piles up you will find more and more will move to the AGW camp
Its the opposite thats happening, as more evidence builds up more scientists, more politicians, and more of the public are abandoning their blind faith in agw and questioning the alarmism, questioning why their models have been so wrong, wondering why they change their story every time the data doesn't align with their previous "settled" theories.

http://www.thegwpf.org/global-warming-consensus-crumbling/

The tide's turning against you.
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Climate Theories Crumble as Data and Experts Suggest Global Cooling

Written by Alex Newman

So-called global-warming alarmists are in a frenzy after the latest climate data confirmed the Earth actually appears to be entering a potential cooling trend, sea-ice cover in Antarctica is growing to record levels, tornadoes and hurricanes are at record lows, and more. According to experts, the most recent revelations continue to make a mockery of alarmist claims — debunking United Nations theories about human-caused global warming and the wildly inaccurate supposed “climate models” used to forecast doom and gloom by forces seeking carbon taxes and more centralized government.

Proponents of what is known as “anthropogenic global warming” theories, which claim that human activity is to blame for alleged warming, have long warned that increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would lead to “catastrophic” warming. The problem is that even based on data gathered by the planet’s premier climate alarmists — the U.K. Met Office, for example, or various U.S. agencies — shows that global warming stopped more than a decade and a half ago, as The New American reported last year.

Now, a leaked version of the upcoming UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report highlighted in the media suggests that the global body’s “climate scientists” are struggling hard to publicly explain the lack of warming they predicted with such confidence. Among the possible explanations offered by the UN’s supposed experts: “ash from volcanoes,” a “decline in heat from the sun,” or more heat being “absorbed by the deep oceans,” according to news reports.

Apparently, however, the draft UN report, set to be released over the next year, does allow for the possibility that the climate is not as “sensitive” to CO2 as the alarmists and their now-debunked models expected. Still, a spokesperson for the IPCC quoted in the government-funded BBC — long criticized for pushing the climate “hoax” despite real evidence — warned the public not to pay attention to the leaked draft because "it is guaranteed it will change" before being officially released. Scientists and experts who have worked on the UN body have told The New American over a period of years that the IPCC is only interested in pushing climate hysteria, regardless of what the facts show.

Of course, CO2, a natural gas exhaled by humans and fundamental to life on earth, has long been vilified by UN climate alarmists as a “pollutant.” Despite the well-known fact human emissions of the gas make up just a fraction of one percent of the greenhouse gasses present naturally in the atmosphere, supporters of man-made global-warming theories insist that humanity must, under UN guidance, destroy the economy to reduce emissions and stave off alleged disaster.

However, with the latest data suggesting that increased levels of CO2 has not led to the “expected” warming, experts say it is time for the UN and its cohorts to re-think their controversial theories. Even the mainstream press in some countries — longtime bastions of climate alarmism — has finally started to report on the potential for global cooling. Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten, for example, ran an explosive article on August 7 about the lack of warming over the last 15 years featuring experts who suggested the earth may actually be entering another “little ice age.”

Reminding readers that the most recent ice age ended just over a century ago, the article was headlined “The behavior of the sun may trigger a new little ice age.” Among other experts, the piece quoted Irish solar specialist Ian Elliott, who warned that “we may be on the path to a new little ice age,” very low solar activity, and “some very cold winters.” Danish astrophysicist Henrik Svensmark, meanwhile, explained that from the 1940s to about the turn of the century, “we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years.” The last time the sun was so active, Svensmark added, was during the Medieval Warm Period, which climate alarmists consistently downplay or ignore because it does not fit with their “theories.”

“This could mean that the temperature will not rise for the next 30 years or maybe begin to decrease,” the expert continued, adding that "many of the climate models used by IPCC and others overestimate the influence of CO2 and underestimate the influence of the sun.” As far as the upcoming IPCC report goes, Svensmark said the UN body “is very one-sided,” so he does not believe there will be “anything reasonable in the next report.” The prominent Danish astrophysicist concludes by noting that despite claims about the ocean absorbing the supposed global warming, “several thousand buoys put into the sea to measure temperature haven’t registered any rise in sea temperatures.”

Earlier this month, meanwhile, the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released its “State of the Climate in 2012” showing that last year was among the coldest so far this century. According to analysts, despite the government agency’s wildly misleading attempts to spin the findings and drum up unwarranted hysteria, the data actually confirm that the globe has stopped warming for the last 15 years. The report also exposes the bogus “climate models” that predicted major warming based on increasing CO2 levels as wrong, which credible scientists have been arguing all along.

“The stagnation of the last 15 years defies all computer model projections, thus confirming that the models all exaggerated CO2 climate sensitivity,” explained prominent climate skeptic Pierre Gosselin, who was educated in mechanical engineering but now spends time ripping apart climate hysteria. “In order for the models to be correct, the global temperature over the last 6 years would have to be 0.2 to 0.3°F warmer.”

Despite those inconvenient and embarrassing truths, Gosselin suspects that NOAA and other U.S. agencies like NASA will soon start trying to “readjust” the data to make it say what they need. “Such dubious (and perhaps criminal) manipulation of data has long since become NASA’s ‘scientific’ approach over the recent years,” he said. “It kind of reminds us of the days when Stalin tried to change history by cutting and pasting photos.”

Already, in an apparent effort to save face — and perhaps huge amounts of taxpayer funding — NOAA was caught using cherry-picked “scattered weather anecdotes” as “evidence” that the globe is warming. “If you think scientists just couldn’t get any more incompetent, then think again,” Gosselin continued in his report demolishing the government’s bogus claims. “NOAA scientists even appear to believe that cold events are now signs of warming. It includes expanding Antarctic sea ice as evidence the globe is warming.” Indeed, NOAA cited record high levels of sea-ice cover in Antarctica in its report.

As if all of that was not embarrassing enough, fear-mongering climate alarmists like President Obama have been threatening Americans and humanity with increased hurricanes and tornadoes due to “global warming.” Between calls for more power and money, UN bosses have also been shrieking about the alleged “extreme” weather supposedly caused by human emissions of CO2. Recent data, however, has left AGW proponents with egg on their faces once again.

According to the latest records on tornadoes in the United States, the nation is currently in the midst of what one prominent analyst referred to as a “tornado drought,” setting a new record for the last 60 years. For hurricanes, which alarmists have also claimed would increase in frequency and severity, the situation is similar. Analysts say Obama’s term in office has seen the lowest number of hurricanes making landfall of any U.S. president. It has been eight years since a major one struck the United States.

While the facts and data continue to make a mockery of UN theories and tax-funded climate alarmism, that does not mean that officials plan to stop the fear mongering anytime soon. Indeed, the Obama administration and its front groups such as “Organizing for Action” are hyping the discredited hysteria to unprecedented heights, engaging in what amounts to an attempted witch-hunt against so-called “climate deniers.”

It appears to analysts and serious scientists as though, after squandering billions in taxpayer money and putting its credibility on the line pushing the “climate scam,” the establishment is not yet ready to abandon its largely discredited theories. Once humanity realizes that the justifications for higher taxes, more regulations, increased government power, and the erosion of liberty and national sovereignty around the world are crumbling, it will be much harder to push similar efforts in the future.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/16372-climate-theories-crumble-as-data-and-experts-suggest-global-cooling
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Hey Dave, nice retort to roberto's challenge you idiots come up with some actual consensus scientific proof.
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Now, a leaked version of the upcoming UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report highlighted in the media suggests...


:lol :lol a leaked report, and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
Dickhead.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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goldbug
26 Jun 2014, 09:26 AM
Hey Dave, nice retort to roberto's challenge you idiots come up with some actual consensus scientific proof.

:lol :lol a leaked report, and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
Dickhead.
You're part of the brainwashed herd, thanks for demonstrating it.
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Hey dave can you give us all a line on who did the Kennedy shooting? Was it aliens?
I don't mind if it's a leaked report, as long as it came from a credible source inside the federation of planets.
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Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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