You may not realise it but you're just a stooge of the fossil fuel industry. You've been fooled by its propaganda (it pays a surprisingly small amount of money to its lackey scientists considering the gains it make from selling coal) instead of ignoring your prejudices and examine the totality of the evidence.
Keep freaking out about man-made global warming Peter.
But the fact remains that with no warming over 17.5yrs, the real/observed measurements have dropped out the bottom of EVERY climate models, and EVERY climate models is as good as useless as matching what is actually happening.
Sorry pal but your reasoning is laughable. What are you using as a guide? Mean temperatures over a short time frame. You don't seem to understand that heat can be absorbed by ice without air temperature gains. What you trust as evidence is irrelevant noise over a short term
Most scientists are saying that we will see more extreme weather conditions, and we are.
It actually doesn't concern me what you think, I don't have to convert you or anyone, in fact I'm not trying to convince people of anything. My post just said that it was the hottest May on record, but if you don't think that is significant then that's fine by me.
You may not realise it but you're just a stooge of the fossil fuel industry. You've been fooled by its propaganda (it pays a surprisingly small amount of money to its lackey scientists considering the gains it make from selling coal) instead of ignoring your prejudices and examine the totality of the evidence.
I think you fail to realise it's you who's been fooled by the propaganda of man-made global warming.
All the alarmist prediction are not eventuating. Mother Nature just keeps making fools out of the alarmist predictions. Despite predictions of reducing global sea-ice, Global sea-ice levels (arctic + antarctic) (currently at 0.62million sqkm ABOVE the 1980-2008 average) are back to been on par with 1979-2000 levels.
Anyway gents, with the solar activity weakening, the 2020's and 2030's will see global cooling, as has been the case with previous solar weakening periods, so I'm not going to waste more time with you man-made global warming fools.
I think you fail to realise it's you who's been fooled by the propaganda of man-made global warming.
All the alarmist prediction are not eventuating. Mother Nature just keeps making fools out of the alarmist predictions. Despite predictions of reducing global sea-ice, Global sea-ice levels (arctic + antarctic) (currently at 0.62million sqkm ABOVE the 1980-2008 average) are back to been on par with 1979-2000 levels.
Anyway gents, with the solar activity weakening, the 2020's and 2030's will see global cooling, as has been the case with previous solar weakening periods, so I'm not going to waste more time with you man-made global warming fools.
Maybe the world has a major problem, maybe it doesn't, but short time frames won't tell us much.
It's funny that people will argue over whether or not 97% of scientists believe in global warming, as though the 97% figure itself is significant.
If we just had a few dozen well qualified scientists telling us that there may be an issue we would listen, but we don't have just a few dozen, we have far more saying that we may have a problem, so intelligent people listen and consider their evidence and advice.
You've made up your mind early that it's all bullshit - well good for you, but the rest of us are still considering the evidence and we like to read new evidence and theories as they appear. Is that so hard to accept.
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The deniers are well behind the curve of science peter, 888's claim is based on air temperature measurements but it is an established fact now that the excess heat has gone into the oceans.
The following excerpts are from scientific bodies and science specific online magazinies that draw their published matter from creadable scientific bodies.
I challenge investor888 and the other climate change skeptics to find sources of equal character to back up their assertions. I have not found a single scientific body that denies AGW myself.
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Climate sceptics – and some climate scientists – talk about a slowdown, or a pause, or a hiatus in global warming. In fact, temperatures have gone on rising and 13 of the 14 warmest years ever recorded have all occurred since 2000. But the rate of rise in global average temperatures since 2000 has not been as fast as the rate during the 1980s and 1990s.
Since greenhouse gas levels have continued to rise, and since scientists are sure of their atmospheric physics, then there was some “missing heat” to be accounted for.
Matthew England from the Australian Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science and colleagues report in Nature Climate Change that a dramatic acceleration in the winds has drawn heat from the atmosphere and transferred it to the ocean: cooler waters have risen to the surface to mask the transaction. http://www.rtcc.org/2014/02/11/is-global-warming-hiding-in-the-pacific-ocean/
Stronger Winds over Pacific Ocean Help Slow Global Warming
The deniers are well behind the curve of science peter, 888's claim is based on air temperature measurements but it is an established fact now that the excess heat has gone into the oceans.
The following excerpts are from scientific bodies and science specific online magazinies that draw their published matter from creadable scientific bodies.
I challenge investor888 and the other climate change skeptics to find sources of equal character to back up their assertions. I have not found a single scientific body that denies AGW myself.
I know just enough to know that I don't know enough, but I can see that those who strenuously argue against climate change don't know enough either.
What will be more crucial is the possible levels that storm surges reach, and from that the changes that local government make to town plans. Land that enjoys water views now and is highly valued, may have it's value stripped as local governments place building restrictions on them. It then doesn't matter who is right in the debate, if your house has just fallen considerably in value and is hard to sell the debate no longer matters, you feel it in your pocket from that moment on.
Winning an argument on a blogsite by shouting louder and harder than everyone else will be at best second prize for people who own property in prone areas or even areas that are considered prone by local governments.
The science is accepted by most rational people, and it's certainly accepted by the people who matter, and that's the people who rezone property in our towns and cities.
Ipswich City Council in Qld is in the process of placing restrictions on flood prone land, and councils in northern NSW have already changed zonings on land that could possibly be inundated by rising sea levels and storm surges. Brisbane City Council is also going to look at this issue. They are already insisting on filling land to raise the level where homes that were flooded in 2011 are being rebuilt. Insurance companies are also favouring these measures by increasing premiums on potential flood properties who haven't attempted to mitigate the risk.
Property owners and prospective property owners ignore this risk at their peril. They can argue all day long on this thread, but when their property is hit with a building restriction that decimates its value the realities of life will hit home.
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Sea level rise will kill half of the gold Coast. Most of those canal estates are barely a meter above at high tide. They will probably have to build a few new bridges to the not so low areas, but eventually they will just abandon most of it. There simply won't be the cheap energy available to do much else.
In a thousand years they will talk about the mythical gold coast that one existed with amazing technology but now lies at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. LOL.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market. What else is he wrong about?
I challenge investor888 and the other climate change skeptics to find sources of equal character to back up their assertions. I have not found a single scientific body that denies AGW myself.
Matthew England from the Australian Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science and colleagues report in Nature Climate Change that a dramatic acceleration in the winds has drawn heat from the atmosphere and transferred it to the ocean: cooler waters have risen to the surface to mask the transaction. http://www.rtcc.org/2014/02/11/is-global-warming-hiding-in-the-pacific-ocean/ Stronger Winds over Pacific Ocean Help Slow Global Warming
In terms of your points regarding Matthew England, I refer you to my previous post in another thread "Climate Change: No evidence that man has caused global warming". In 2006 they were saying exactly the opposite about trade winds, and that they would slow due to global warming.
Keep up man, you have no clue how many times they have changes their theories, as they haev NO CLUE really what is going on as the systems are too complex to model. Each time the new theory contradicts COMPLETELY their old theory. CLUELESS. And you fools believe anything. IT"S THE SUN THAT DRIVES CLIMATE AND HAS THE MOST INFLUENCE
2014 - Stronger/Quicker Trade winds responsible for the warming pause, and oceans warming.
Global warming theorists have long expected to see a slowdown in this system, but until now had been unable to see convincing evidence.
The latest study relied mostly on sea-level barometric pressure, drawing on data collected by sailors plying the Pacific for more than a century. Results pointed to a clear slowdown in the intensity of the Pacific heat pump, particularly during the past 30 years, essentially matching the results expected from computer climate models. Because ocean winds drive currents, Vecchi said one clear impact may be a reduced Pacific upwelling, potentially reducing the biological productivity of ocean regions affected
2006 - So were the "experts" correct in 2006, when they were absolutely sure that the trade wind slowdown was due to man-made global warming, or are they absolutely sure in 2014, that the trade wind quickening is due to man-made global warming. You fools.
And if the trade winds were slowing up to 2006 the past 30yrs, as they suggest with certainty their climate models predicted, does that not mean that prior in the 1990's (when trade winds were quicker before), that the heat should have also been hiding in the ocean, rather than raising surface temperatures.
When these guys start worrying about climate change and the danger it implies for their wealth, it shows its not just a bunch of green liberals that are concerned.
To be honest Investor888, the resources available to these guys is just a tad more than you have, and I don't think they'd be putting their names to this report unless they were pretty damn sure it had some weight.
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