A typical GW denier retort. No air temperature changes to speak of for 20 years and you use that to claim the earth has been cooling? There is no evidence for cooling, certainly none that would lead to an ice age. Now lets discuss why the antarctic glaciers are melting away, they are doing so from their bases btw, which implies warmer water not warmer air. That is your clue. The heat trapped by greenhouse gasses has gone into the sea, warming of the earth has occured in the oceans which are massive heat sinks.
How convenient, the earth's temp stops rising and suddenly it's because the sea suddenly became a massive heat sink.
Why was the heat sink not soaking up the heat 30 years ago?
Was the sea not a heat sink in the past, does it only become a heat sink when it suits you?
Face it you guys have lost, there's no man made global warming it was a massive con job, the earth's temp rises sometimes and it falls other times, it's natural.
ANTARCTIC sea ice has expanded to record levels for April, increasing by more than 110,000sq km a day last month to nine million square kilometres.
The National Snow and Ice Data Centre said the rapid expansion had continued into May and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record “by a significant margin’’.
“This exceeds the past record for the satellite era by about 320,000sq km, which was set in April 2008,’’ the centre said.
While there there does appear to be a slight cooling trend, it is non-significant at the statistical level. Just like there has been no statistically significant warming in the last 18-20years, despite the fact that CO2 emissions continue to increase. So I would not be calling for cooling yet. Otherwise you'll just be making the same mistake the warming alarmists do, which is to conjure stuff out of thin air (or should I say thin Co2?).
To non-scientifically trained people, it is easier to believe the stories of global warming (or cooling) than to critically engage with the evidence (or lack thereof). People want to believe something is happening. It is a rare person who can go through life without believing in something. This innate human bias to believe, is what drives us to latch on to fairytales like global warming. Contrary to being ridiculous, it's actually quite logical to believe in these myths. It is simply human nature to believe. Our entire system is faith-based.
If you are skeptical of global warming then I urge you to refrain from latching on to the opposite belief (global cooling), as there is no evidence for that either. your best position is to assume a neutrally skeptical position. If the warmists want you to believe their fairytale then they must produce incontrovertible proof of their story. Until that day, you simply smile and nod, politely remind them that they are simply believing in a fairytale, and continue with your lives. These debates are not directed at trying to stop them from believing the story, they are aimed at spreading information for people who haven't yet decided to jump into the belief system.
We're aiming this at the readers who are not commenting on this thread. The ones who still have open minds. The likes of Kulganis, the Count, et al. will never stop believing. For to stop believing would mean that they have to reorganise their entire belief system. The warming story is simply one part of their overall psychology. The other parts of their psychology are what attracts them, and holds them to stories like man-made global warming. They literally physically cannot stop believing. But we know this, and therefore I say again: debate them with the intention of presenting a strong case to the readers on the sidelines. The ones who have not got their entire cognitive structures invested into such myths. They are the ones who are at the crossroads and can choose which way to go. The hardcore warmists have only one path left to them.
How convenient, the earth's temp stops rising and suddenly it's because the sea suddenly became a massive heat sink.
Face it you guys have lost, there's no man made global warming it was a massive con job, the earth's temp rises sometimes and it falls other times, it's natural.
Give it up!
So you're saying there is no "greenhouse effect" and the Earth doesn't have an average surface temperature of 15 C rather than minus 19 C because of Co2?
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
Count comes out swinging with the logical fallacy of the straw man. Last I checked we were debating the existence of catastrophic man-made global warming, not the existence of the greenhouse effect, of which there is no denying is real. I gotta say though, your logical fallacy is much more subtle than Kulganis' wrecking ball approach.
You can try better than that Count. Give me a challenge!
So you're saying there is no "greenhouse effect" and the Earth doesn't have an average surface temperature of 15 C rather than minus 19 C because of Co2?
So you're saying the sun has no influence on the climate and the Earth doesn't have an average surface temperature of 15 C rather than 2.7 Kelvin?
Dave, he's suckering you in with the straw man logical fallacy. As I said, politely remind him that we are awaiting incontrovertible proof of catastrophic man-made global warming. We're not debating the greenhouse effect.
Count can debate the greenhouse effect with himself if he has given up on trying to find evidence for catastrophic man-made global warming.
Stay the course Dave. Don't let their logical fallacies beguile you. Their aim is to turn the tables to get you to provide the burden of proof, when we all know that the claimant must provide the proof. We're not claiming anything.
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