Peter isn't lying, nor insane, he's just convinced, as I am, by the consensus amongst the scientific community about the reality of climate warming.
Science doesn't work by consensus. There isn't one anyway. The following is from the pro-global warming Guardian this last weekend.
The author has "been active in the IPCC since 1994, serving in various roles in all its three working groups, most recently as a convening lead author for the fifth assessment report of working group II".
The claim of a 97% consensus on global warming does not stand up
Cook and co selected some 12,000 papers from the scientific literature to test whether these papers support the hypothesis that humans played a substantial role in the observed warming of the Earth. 12,000 is a strange number. The climate literature is much larger. The number of papers on the detection and attribution of climate change is much, much smaller.
Cook’s sample is not representative. Any conclusion they draw is not about “the literature” but rather about the papers they happened to find.
Most of the papers they studied are not about climate change and its causes, but many were taken as evidence nonetheless. ....... Cook tried to validate the results by having authors rate their own papers. In almost two out of three cases, the author disagreed with Cook’s team about the message of the paper in question.
Attempts to obtain Cook’s data for independent verification have been in vain. ....... Consensus is irrelevant in science. There are plenty of examples in history where everyone agreed and everyone was wrong.
Um, clearly providing links is pointless to you CO2 man-made global warming fools. The science is just too much for your idiotic brains to comprehend I see.
The link was provided. It's the BOM - research paper - page 10 - vertical movement. Marshall Islands are subsiding (vertical movement) of -0.5mm/yr, Samoa at 0.9mm/yr, Cook Islands subsiding at 0.7mm/yr etc. Sea-level rise is at net +3.8mm/yr, but that rate of sea-level rise is slowing, as per NOAA measurements. *****Pacific Country Report - Sea Level & Climate: ******
Yep I looked at the BOM report. Sinking is a possibility but it doesn't explain all of the sea level changes.
I'm quite prepared to accept that some of the expectations may be exaggerated, but you (and others) have put yourselves into positions that are intolerant of any possibility of warming, and I don't think that's a smart stance.
The issue is that there is mounting anecdotal evidence to back up the theory. If you want to think that everyone with a view that is contrary to yours must be a nutter then you may be in for a big shock one day, and that day may be closer than you think.
Cheers,
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I'm quite prepared to accept that some of the expectations may be exaggerated, but you (and others) have put yourselves into positions that are intolerant of any possibility of warming, and I don't think that's a smart stance.
The issue is that there is mounting anecdotal evidence to back up the theory. If you want to think that everyone with a view that is contrary to yours must be a nutter then you may be in for a big shock one day, and that day may be closer than you think.
Cheers,
NON of us are arguing against global warming. Get your facts straight. We are arguing against the CO2 man-made global warming rubbish and alarmism. Anyway, believe your CO2 warming rubbish. With rising levels of CO2, the world has NOT warmed for 17.5yrs now (even the IPCC now agree with this). The link is more green anti-capitalist rubbish than scientific facts. There is no correlation between the two, and the failing climate models prove this more and more with each passing year.
The world has warmed, from 1800's as 1790-1830 was the Dalton Minimum - lower solar activity which lead to 0.8deg C COOLING in that period. when solar activity returned to normal, the planet has warmed to the pre-dalton minimum levels. Any wonder why the alarmists always choose 1800's as a starting point, rather than periods before then.
More modern period of Solar Activity has been stronger, and has warmed Earths, and other planets of the solar system. The coming Solar Cycle weakening starting in Solar Cycle 25 (from 2019) will again see cooling through the 2020's and 2030's.
Maybe the little green martians are global warming Mars as well, or the evil polluting greedy Oil companies here. No coincidence that the Sun has affected all planets in the same time frames.
On Mars, there have been an unusual number of massive, planet-darkening storms over the last 30 years, and computer models indicate that surface air temperatures on the Red Planet increased by 0.65°C from the 1970s to the 1990s. Residual ice on the Martian south pole, the researchers note, has steadily retreated over the last four years.
By comparison, the average temperature of Earth increased by 0.75°C over the last century.
Solar Activity - modern solar maximums lead to warming. Maunder Minimum and Dalton minimum to cooling.
NON of us are arguing against global warming. Get your facts straight. We are arguing against the CO2 man-made global warming rubbish and alarmism. Anyway, believe you CO2 rubbish. With rising levels of CO2, the world has NOT warmed for 17.5yrs now. The link is more green anti-capitalist rubbish than scientific facts. There is no correlation between the two, and the failing climate models prove this more and more with each passing year.
The world has warmed, from 1800's as 1790-1830 was the Dalton Minimum - lower solar activity which lead to 0.8deg C COOLING in that period. when solar activity returned to normal, the planet has warmed to the pre-dalton minimum levels. Any wonder why the alarmists always choose 1800's as a starting point, rather than periods before then.
More modern period of Solar Activity has been stronger, and has warmed Earths, and other planets of the solar system. The coming Solar Cycle weakening starting in Solar Cycle 25 (from 2019) will again see cooling through the 2020's and 2030's.
Maybe the little green martians are global warming Mars as well, or the evil polluting greedy Oil companies here. No co-incedence that the Sun has affected all planets in the same time frames.
Solar Activity - modern solar maximums lead to warming. Maunder Minimum and Dalton minimum to cooling.
Yes but I have explained that when we have melting ice which is evidenced by rising sea levels, then the rising temperature may well be masked because the melting ice effectively lowers the ocean temperatures, or suppresses the temperature gains.
A lot of the heat may be absorbed by the ice before it has started to melt. Ice water is at 0 Celsius but ice is usually much colder. Because that ice sits above the sea levels it doesn't change the water temperature much until it melts and merges with the oceans. Ice can also sit at 0 Celsius and absorb a lot of heat without a change in temperature before it liquefies.
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A lot of the heat may be absorbed by the ice before it has started to melt.
Peter I explained this to you earlier and you ignored it.
The ice must absorb the latent heat from somewhere. Where is it getting it from? And as I've said, the latent heat is only the heat required to melt the ice. But prior to that, you will see a measurable increase in the ice's temperature. The ice doesn't sit at 0 degrees all year round. In places like the Antarctic the ice is well below zero. So any so called man-made global warming will be expected to show up in rising ice temperatures.
The ice must first get to 0 degrees before it will start absorbing latent heat. Surely you understand this. If you don't, then do a simple experiment on your stove at home. Heat the water until it turns to steam. Notice that the water will rise to 100degrees, then pause, then turn to steam. The ice is the same. It will rise in temperature until 0 degrees, pause, then turn to water.
Please stop feeding misinformation to unwitting readers. It does the country no good to dumb our kids down so much.
I was walking around in shorts last night, out in the Queensland countryside where it's usually frosty this time of year. It was 20º at midnight. But don't take my word for it.
1. You are confusing local weather with the global climate. 2. How do you know it wasn't just as warm (or warmer) in the Queensland countryside this time 300 years ago? Or 1000 years ago?
peter fraser
9 Jun 2014, 11:15 PM
Is that your way of saying that you don't want to debate the facts?
You say there is a body of scientific thought that shows the extent of human influence, so can you tell me what that extent is?
peter fraser
9 Jun 2014, 11:58 PM
you (and others) have put yourselves into positions that are intolerant of any possibility of warming, and I don't think that's a smart stance.
The issue is that there is mounting anecdotal evidence to back up the theory
No, we just look at the data. If the data showed continued warming then we would accept that. But the data shows no warming for almost two decades.
There are two main points of contention.
1. Are surface temperatures still increasing? The answer here is indisputable. There has been no global warming for almost two decades. 2. Are human CO2 emissions the main cause of climate change? Seems not. Human CO2 emissions continued to rise for the past two decades without causing any warming.
The alarmists said increasing CO2 emissions would lead to continued global warming. Now that theory has been destroyed by the data so they start telling us the warming is hiding deep in the oceans, and that global cooling is just another sign of global warming. It has become farcical.
If it was warmer 500 of 1000 years ago as you suggest then there would have been a reason. The planet doesn't heat up on a whim shadow. Either the suns output would have had to dramatically increased or the levels of greenhouse gasses increased. We don't know but there is no evidence it did.
Science predicts, this is hypothesis, like when scientists predicted the earth would warm due to greenhouse gas emissions. It has warmed as per the predictions and for the reasons stated in those predictions. That's how science works shadow. It doesn't work by stating that it may have been hot 1000 years ago and then offering no evidence that it did or didn't.
Your assertions are based on wishful thinking and are odds with over 95% of the climate science community. In other words you talk rubbish and if you got up at a symposium on the subject they would laugh you out of the room. Now go back and have another look at those IO mortgage contracts and ask yourself how you are ever going to pay them out in a collapsing economy where house prices are falling.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market. What else is he wrong about?
The planet doesn't heat up on a whim shadow. Either the suns output would have had to dramatically increased or the levels of greenhouse gasses increased.
The sun? But the alarmists tell me the sun is irrelevant, and that climate change is driven by humans.
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