You say there is a body of scientific thought that shows the extent of human influence, so can you tell me what that extent is?
peter fraser
9 Jun 2014, 07:01 PM
It is obvious that warming will temporarily cause cooling
Originally the alarmists said the warming would only cause warming, but now that the warming has stopped you claim the warming causes cooling too?
So regardless of whether the planet gets warmer or colder in the future, either way it will be used by the alarmists as evidence of man made global warming.
How will you know when man made global warming has ended? No matter whether temperatures go up or down, you will think humans are the cause.
If you can't follow what I said then you have a real problem understanding any of the information on this subject. It is obvious that warming will temporarily cause cooling, and when I say temporarily I mean for maybe 50yrs or longer, it's not going to be an overnight change to higher temperatures.
Ok, so now you dispute both the IPCC and your scientific evidence, and those that say that man-made global warming is rubbish and it's the SUN, not CO2.
So now global warming will cause global cooling. Maybe the IPCC need your expertise. Because clearly according to their reports, your "scientific consensus" believes that global warming is unstoppable and continuing. Green is the IPCC prediction. Yes "overnight change to higher temperatures."
Yes Dave I am, but I understand that people can't grasp the issue so I'll leave it to you guys to argue the point over things that you don't understand.
I gave you the clues, all you have to do is some research.
Cheers
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Yes Dave I am, but I understand that people can't grasp the issue so I'll leave it to you guys to argue the point over things that you don't understand.
I gave you the clues, all you have to do is some research.
Cheers
It will cool, but due to the next solar minimum and weakening solar activity starting Solar Cycle 25 (from 2019), so through 2020's and 2030's it will cool.
But perhaps you should explain your CO2 Man-Made Global Warming means there will actually be global cooling to the IPCC, and all the other 97% "scientific consensus" that you always mention. I'm sure all the experts who are predicting 2-4deg warming would love to hear your expert advise that warming causes cooling
You are completely clueless man. But a true reflection of the general LOW intelligence of the man-made global warming alarmists.
Yes Dave I am, but I understand that people can't grasp the issue so I'll leave it to you guys to argue the point over things that you don't understand.
I gave you the clues, all you have to do is some research.
Cheers
I think what Peter is saying is due to global Ice Melt, particular Greenland and the Artic, sea water temperatures will fall which results in cooling, however I do not know if sea temperatures are falling, I thought it was rising.
However, my thoughts are the small increase in sea levels, a few metres globally over the next 100-200 years is only a fraction of the water volume in oceans which measure over 7,000m deep. So a tiny fraction of 1%, which should have only a small impact on sea temperatures for either warmer or cooler.
Nature has dealt with global warming fare worse then present, or global cooling for that matter. Hot periods and Ice ages are a normal part of the planets Cycle. Most times brought about by super volcanos or asteroid impacts.
A lot more evidence needs to be provided to prove one way or the other.
I think what Peter is saying is due to global Ice Melt, particular Greenland and the Artic, sea water temperatures will fall which results in cooling, however I do not know if sea temperatures are falling, I thought it was rising.
The Man-Made global warming alarmists have said that there no warming for 17.5yrs now (even the IPCC agree), because the heat is hiding in the oceans and heating the oceans. So ALL IPCC 50+ models of global warming are now completely inaccurate. Most alarmists still claim a 2deg++ rise in air temperature by century end.
This twit Peter says global warming will see no rise in air temperture, and will result in a cooling of ocean temperatures. Meanwhile global sea-ice level is ABOVE 1980-2008 averages, and Antarctic sea-ice is still setting records high levels of sea-ice each day.
The explanations for the Man-Made global warming alarmists keep changing as their alarmist predictions just DON'T eventuate as they alarmingly expected.
The Man-Made global warming alarmists have said that there no warming for 17.5yrs now (even the IPCC agree), because the heat is hiding in the oceans and heating the oceans. So ALL IPCC 50+ models of global warming are now completely inaccurate. Most alarmists still claim a 2deg++ rise in air temperature by century end.
This twit Peter says global warming will see no rise in air temperture, and will result in a cooling of ocean temperatures. Meanwhile global sea-ice level is ABOVE 1980-2008 averages, and Antarctic sea-ice is still setting records high levels of sea-ice each day.
The explanations for the Man-Made global warming alarmists keep changing as their alarmist predictions just DON'T eventuate as they alarmingly expected.
I appreciate that you don't understand basic physics and to cope with that you call anyone who presents a confronting argument names, but that still doesn't alter the fact that you don't understand.
However it gives me no comfort at all to be right on this occasion. I hope that you are right, but I seriously doubt it. The expected rise in sea levels and eventual warming of the oceans will certainly challenge all who inhabit this earth in the latter years of this century and beyond.
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I appreciate that you don't understand basic physics and to cope with that you call anyone who presents a confronting argument names, but that still doesn't alter the fact that you don't understand.
Mate, your in your own little world, and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. YOUR arguments are even dismissing the arguments of the 97% scientific consensus you keep talking about, who claim that warming will continue unabated due to rising CO2 levels.
Whenever anyone responds to a post IN CAPITALS their anger and ignorance diminishes the value of their input into the argument. There is a scientific consensus about climate change, get over it.
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