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The subject of Global Warming seems to have cooled?; Ice storms put the dampers on global warming
Topic Started: 15 Feb 2014, 12:21 AM (8,026 Views)
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Not once did I mention that I was referring to the particular year that was implied in the quote Maz pointed out. So what you have in brackets is pointless.

I was actually responding to your claim that 'your implication was clearly that humans are capturing water for long enough to delay its flow back to the sea and thus affect sea levels.'

I was pointing out that dams prevent water from reaching the ocean.
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Kulganis
16 Feb 2014, 02:24 PM
Not once did I mention that I was referring to the particular year
The discussion was about a sea level drop in a particular year due to extra rainfall that year, not about the cumulative effect of dams over 100+ years.
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Shadow
16 Feb 2014, 02:17 PM
Debate is something alarmists are terrified of, hence their efforts to shut it down and their desperate compulsion to dismiss all skeptics as 'vested interests' or 'astroturfers' and the like.
In my experience it's the derniers who are obsessed, personally I don't give a damn what other believe.
I'll be making decisions on buying property and I will take into consideration what I consider the change in climate will bring. That means no low lying property, and buying outside high risk cyclone areas. Property construction types will also be factored in.

What other people buy is entirely their business and it doesn't affect me.
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peter fraser
16 Feb 2014, 02:03 PM
Henry Porter
The Observer, Sunday 16 February 2014
I'm regularly told that so and so is not a climate scientist and therefore his views carry no weight.

Henry Porter is a novelist who writes thrillers. Need I say more?
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peter fraser
16 Feb 2014, 02:29 PM
buying outside high risk cyclone areas
Maybe high risk cyclone areas will become low risk, and vice versa, when the climate has finished 'changing'...
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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peter fraser
16 Feb 2014, 02:29 PM
In my experience it's the derniers who are obsessed, personally I don't give a damn what other believe.
I despise your offensive use of the word "deniers" as an obvious means of associating holders of a different view with evil.

Like Shadow and almost all other sceptics I support the notion that the climate is changing. It always has and it always will.
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16 Feb 2014, 02:33 PM
Maybe high risk cyclone areas will become low risk, and vice versa, when the climate has finished 'changing'...
I'm from North Qld and I take cyclones quite seriously. The cyclone season has been extended, and they are coming further south. I doubt that we will see Cat 5 near Brisbane but I would not be buying on the beach in Port Douglas, but I might on the Atherton Tablelands as they lose steam over land.

The days when I needed a scientist to tell me that the weather is changing have long past,and the days when I thought that the deriers might have a point have faded into distant memory.
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I'm from North Qld and I take cyclones quite seriously. The cyclone season has been extended, and they are coming further south.
Further south than they did in 1470 and 1310?

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I might on the Atherton Tablelands
Very high up. What if you get snowed in regularly when the climate changes? What if your house is destroyed in an ice storm or run over by a glacier when the climate has finished changing?

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The days when I needed a scientist to tell me that the weather is changing
Weather and climate has always been changing.

peter fraser
16 Feb 2014, 02:40 PM
the days when I thought that the deriers might have a point have faded into distant memory
What is your definition of a 'denier'?
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1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
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16 Feb 2014, 02:36 PM
I despise your offensive use of the word "deniers" as an obvious means of associating holders of a different view with evil.

Like Shadow and almost all other sceptics I support the notion that the climate is changing. It always has and it always will.
Really?

Sorry I meant no offense, but I can't help your hypersensitivity.

People including me get called far worse everyday on this forum. Perhaps Alex will move the conversation to the bickering thread if he deems it to be an offensive word.



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peter fraser
16 Feb 2014, 02:44 PM
Really?

Sorry I meant no offense, but I can't help your hypersensitivity.

People including me get called far worse everyday on this forum. Perhaps Alex will move the conversation to the bickering thread if he deems it to be an offensive word.


You are certainly not a thinking man.
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“Denial” is an ordinary English word meaning to assert the untruth of something. Recently, however, it has acquired a further polemical sense. To “deny” in this new sense is to repudiate some commonly professed doctrine. Denial is the secular form of blasphemy; deniers are scorned, ridiculed and sometimes prosecuted.

Where does this new usage come from? There is an old sense of “deny,” akin to “disown,” which no doubt lies in the background. (A traitor denies his country; Peter denied Christ.) But the more immediate source is Freud. Denial in the Freudian sense is the refusal to accept a painful or humiliating truth. Sufferers are said to be in a “state of denial” or simply “in denial.” This last phrase entered general use in the early 1990s and launched “denial” on its modern career. “Holocaust denial” was the first political application, followed closely by “Aids denial,” “global warming denial” and a host of others. An abstract noun, “denialism,” has recently been coined. It is perhaps no accident that denial’s counterpart, affirmation, has meanwhile acquired laudatory overtones. We “affirm” relationships, achievements, values. Ours is a relentlessly positive culture.

An accusation of “denial” is serious, suggesting either deliberate dishonesty or self-deception. The thing being denied is, by implication, so obviously true that the denier must be driven by perversity, malice or wilful blindness. Few issues warrant such confidence. The Holocaust is perhaps one, though even here there is room for debate over the manner of its execution and the number of its victims. A charge of denial short-circuits this debate by stigmatising as dishonest any deviation from a preordained conclusion. It is a form of the argument ad hominem: the aim is not so much to refute your opponent as to discredit his motives. The extension of the “denier” tag to group after group is a development that should alarm all liberal-minded people. One of the great achievements of the Enlightenment—the liberation of historical and scientific enquiry from dogma—is quietly being reversed.

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/words-that-think-for-us-3/#.UwA4jM6v_4t
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