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The subject of Global Warming seems to have cooled?; Ice storms put the dampers on global warming
Topic Started: 15 Feb 2014, 12:21 AM (8,028 Views)
Kulganis
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Shadow
16 Feb 2014, 09:54 AM
You're saying there's a measurement device capable of measuring the impact to sea levels caused by human capture of rainfall?

Can you post some details about this device? What measurement does it give for the actual human impact in this case... how many cm?
No, I never said that such a device existed, just that if such a device did, then the amount of water used by humans would have a measurable impact.

Are you suggesting that there is no way that we can ever measure the amount of water that is trapped by humans, and that it will never cause oceanic level fluctuations?
Heh, was looking to see if anyone had ever tried to do such calculation, and they have...

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Rivers that no longer discharge the same amount of water at their mouth that they had prior to dam construction can drastically affect the body of water they flow into.

In the former Soviet Union, two major rivers that once discharged into the Aral Sea are now almost dry. This has caused the Aral Sea level to fall drastically. The volume of water in the Aral Sea basin today has dropped by 75%, and the basin's area has dropped by 50%.

The reduced volume of the sea has caused its salinity level to triple. The lower sea level has caused numerous environmental problems many of which have direct consequences on the people living near the Sea.

One of the major concerns of these people is the wind erosion that picks up anywhere from 40,000,000 to 150,000,000 metric tons of salt dust from the now dry sea bed. A large portion of this salt dust is deposited on area farmland causing severe damage to the crops grown on that land.

Also, a once vibrate commercial fishing industry on the Aral has been destroyed, as all but 4 of the 24 natural fish species in the sea have been destroyed.

http://geoscience.wisc.edu/~chuck/Geo106/krohm.html
Edited by Kulganis, 16 Feb 2014, 10:07 AM.
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Kulganis
16 Feb 2014, 09:57 AM
No, I never said that such a device existed, just that if such a device did, then the amount of water used by humans would have a measurable impact.
We're talking about the present day where you believe human capture of water had a measurable impact 'with the right device', not some improbable future scenario where we can accurately measure sea levels to the nanometre.
Edited by Shadow, 16 Feb 2014, 10:07 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Why is it improbable?
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Kulganis
16 Feb 2014, 09:57 AM
In the former Soviet Union, two major rivers that once discharged into the Aral Sea are now almost dry. This has caused the Aral Sea level to fall drastically. The volume of water in the Aral Sea basin today has dropped by 75%, and the basin's area has dropped by 50%.
Um, the Aral Sea is a lake... :re:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

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Edited by Shadow, 16 Feb 2014, 10:11 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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And? So? Well?

Again, do I have to continue to point out every possible scenario?

I can't sit here all day to argue the ability of man to measure things that should be fairly common sense, I have things to do.
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16 Feb 2014, 08:40 AM
Global Warming is bullshit. The mainstream media has agendas. It is wise to be skeptical of the lies that are told to the public.
Global Warming or what is termed the "green house" effect is the reason why the average surface temperature is +15 C rather than the - 19 C we get on the top of mount Everest.

I first read about Global Warming when I was 8 years old in book I still have today that was printed in 1968. It wasn't strange news to me. The rest only heard about it when it was popularized in the press in the late 1990's and had probably never knew about it prior to that. But now you're all experts! Amazing!

Science first became aware of Global Warming in the late 18th century, although the factor that it explained it (CO2) wasn't realized until the mid 19th century.

The basic calculations could be done on a single sheet of paper.

The theory of Anamorphic Global Warming starts with Arrhenius around 1900.

But you guys who were never even born then and since as regards science have lived with your heads buried in the sand know better?

You're all just puppets of Rupert Murdoch's press! Hilarious! :re:
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!!
You are no longer customer, you are property!!!

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16 Feb 2014, 10:48 AM
Global Warming or what is termed the "green house" effect is the reason why the average surface temperature is +15 C rather than the - 19 C we get on the top of mount Everest.

I first read about Global Warming when I was 8 years old in book I still have today that was printed in 1968. It wasn't strange news to me. The rest only heard about it when it was popularized in the press in the late 1990's and had probably never knew about it prior to that. But now you're all experts! Amazing!

Science first became aware of Global Warming in the late 18th century, although the factor that it explained it (CO2) wasn't realized until the mid 19th century.

The basic calculations could be done on a single sheet of paper.

The theory of Anamorphic Global Warming starts with Arrhenius around 1900.

But you guys who were never even born then and since as regards science have lived with your heads buried in the sand know better?

You're all just puppets of Rupert Murdoch's press! Hilarious! :re:
People of my gen were first told about it around the late 80s early 90s, that was when they banned some sort of stuff in spray cans, cfc.

Freaky weather patterns seem to be getting more common and worse.

We've got Adelaide who's had 13 days of +40c weather, the QLD floods, that shit going on in the UK atm...whatever else.

But I've stopped caring.

I supported the carbon tax and it's one of the left's pet themes, but it's going to be a struggle for them, especially when they openly admit to wanting to fuck white men over, and they never say anything about overpopulation, and given whatever other loony things they do to turn voters off.
Edited by themoops, 16 Feb 2014, 11:33 AM.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
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Most of the heat has been absorbed by the oceans, the warmer oceans are evaporating more water, hence the insane rainfall events we are now seeing. Climate change is undeniable and whether it's main component is man caused is irrelevant. Human caused global warming is a component, it adds to the natural cycles, it makes them worse.

Climate change deniers are interested in only one outcome by their denial. Profits for their own pockets by maintaining the status quo. Oil companies deny it because they want to sell more oil, property investors deny it because don't want any radical changes to effect the value of their investments out in the far flung suburbs.

What is a house way out in the suburbs worth when the petrol to commute from it is $8/L because of carbon taxes etc.

Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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Kulganis
16 Feb 2014, 10:12 AM
And? So? Well?

Again, do I have to continue to point out every possible scenario?
Fine. So you believe human capture of rainfall had a measurable impact on recent sea levels, but just not measurable using today's devices, and as evidence you point to measurements taken of a lake. Cool. :tu:
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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16 Feb 2014, 11:32 AM
People of my gen were first told about it around the late 80s early 90s, that was when they banned some sort of stuff in spray cans, cfc.
Chlorofluorocarbon was a slightly different beast, essentially it broke down in the atmosphere and the chlorine would catalyse the destruction of ozone (O3), which blocks most of the really harmful UV coming from the sun (luckily, O3 is regenerative). It was an immediate problem, one that could have caused a lot more problems than we have now.
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