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Holden is the past, not the future; Car companies lined their pockets with $19 billion of our money
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Frank Castle
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Count du Monet
12 Dec 2013, 12:06 PM
We are a banana republic.
And moops is the monkey
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The forum fuckwit goes RRRAAARRRGGHHhhh - But not a fuck was given..................by anyone.
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themoops
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Frank Castle
12 Dec 2013, 12:10 PM
And moops is the monkey
You are festy bogan scum. You are everything that is wrong with this country.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
See here
Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
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Pig Iron
12 Dec 2013, 11:07 AM
what crap. the fuel REBATE, not subsidy, is a refund on the fuel excise they were charging non road users when the excise is supposed to be going towards national road schemes.

if you are so pissed off at people claiming their allowed tax deductions, why don't you just give all your money to the government this tax season. don't ask for anything back at all.

oh thats right, it's OTHER PEOPLES MONEY you are happy to spend.
Rebate, deduction, loophole - all subsidies by other names.

Maybe if the miners paid their fair share of tax we could avoid this hollowing out of our economy and afford to subsidise manufacturing while the dollar is high due to mining boom.

"it's OTHER PEOPLES MONEY you are happy to spend" - WTF does that even mean?
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The destruction of Holden is part of an agenda to destroy our identity to reduce us to the role of compliant slaves.

We've entered a new era, we've had the fucked up Labor Party, and now we get a dose of the fucked up Liberal party.

My Grandfather warned many years ago that the Liberal Party has no care for the nation.

Joe Hockey has no concept of what his job is.

The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!!
You are no longer customer, you are property!!!

Don't be SAUCY with me Bernaisse
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Dr Watson
12 Dec 2013, 10:03 AM
Manufacturing cars is no longer a skilled job — it's just repetitive assembly line work largely assisted by robots.
Yeah
Butt...
The biggest question is what are these unskilled workers gonna do next ??? You gotta remember some these people have been in this for many yrs...

Again the listening to radio news whilst driving... The question is ethics how far does the obligations go? Do we promote the handout mentality! All these Holden bigwigs..Mike Deveraux,(not sure if I've spelt his name right) are pleading for assistance for these Holden workers...
themoops
12 Dec 2013, 10:22 AM
Pig Iron said yesterday they get $85k. If that's the case, fuck em.

I'm sick of morons getting big bucks.
You are just a jealous SOB

If I was still single I would pm you .. Sweet talk you ....& kick ya arse..



Edited by Blondie girl, 12 Dec 2013, 11:33 PM.
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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themoops
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Count du Monet
12 Dec 2013, 10:35 PM
The destruction of Holden is part of an agenda to destroy our identity to reduce us to the role of compliant slaves.

It was a bit of a false identity wasn't it? There's nothing worse than a maloo driving bogan who thinks he's such an Aussie, off to work to knock down a house to stick up a unit block to sell to parasitic property investors, immigrants or rich chinese, and be paid a fortune to do so.

The Australian identity died with Howard, I know I often romanticise the past but no doubt a lot of it should have gone in the trash can.
Blondie girl
12 Dec 2013, 11:28 PM

You are just a jealous SOB

If I was still single I would pm you .. Sweet talk you ....& kick ya arse..


You could call it jealousy or just wanting a fairer society.

We need to Americanise this country. America is strong because it doesn't pay idiots big bucks.

Your hubby would be a mexican on $15 an hour if that. :lol

McMansions would be $300k instead of $1m.

You wouldn't be able to play with me, a girl like you would have to root me pretty soon, or else I wouldn't bother with you. :tu:
Edited by themoops, 12 Dec 2013, 11:45 PM.
stinkbug omosessuale


Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
See here
Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
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themoops
12 Dec 2013, 11:37 PM
It was a bit of a false identity wasn't it? There's nothing worse than a maloo driving bogan who thinks he's such an Aussie, off to work to knock down a house to stick up a unit block to sell to parasitic property investors, immigrants or rich chinese, and be paid a fortune to do so.

The Australian identity died with Howard, I know I often romanticise the past but no doubt a lot of it should have gone in the trash can.

You could call it jealousy or just wanting a fairer society.

We need to Americanise this country. America is strong because it doesn't pay idiots big bucks.

Your hubby would be a mexican on $15 an hour if that. :lol

McMansions would be $300k instead of $1m.

You wouldn't be able to play with me, a girl like you would have to root me pretty soon, or else I wouldn't bother with you. :tu:
Keep dreaming Moron

You are only a few yrs younger than me, but I've owned property since I was only 18. I'll make it simple for your brain ...
Think time...
Then think ...
Family syndicate ...
Think..
Experienced parental understanding in property..
Think
Using the banks...
Think met like minded property mad man...Good yr 1996...

Boom utilized way back in 1999 went serious property shopping.....
Think
Top up
Clear debts
Think
Rental returns
Capital growth..
Ice cream all the way to the bank..



Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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Count du Monet
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themoops
12 Dec 2013, 11:37 PM
It was a bit of a false identity wasn't it? There's nothing worse than a maloo driving bogan who thinks he's such an Aussie, off to work to knock down a house to stick up a unit block to sell to parasitic property investors, immigrants or rich chinese, and be paid a fortune to do so.

The Australian identity died with Howard, I know I often romanticise the past but no doubt a lot of it should have gone in the trash can.

You could call it jealousy or just wanting a fairer society.

We need to Americanise this country. America is strong because it doesn't pay idiots big bucks.

Your hubby would be a mexican on $15 an hour if that. :lol

McMansions would be $300k instead of $1m.

You wouldn't be able to play with me, a girl like you would have to root me pretty soon, or else I wouldn't bother with you. :tu:
You got some really offensive perspectives in your global view.

Be wary of generalizing way too much. Seem to be a lot people who do follow fashions they get off TV or something. But there can't be that many bogans or Holden wouldn't be leaving us.

You're too paranoid, you need to control it.
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Holden's lost contract due to 'vendetta'

The top-of-the-line Holden Caprice was recommended by the Attorney-General's Department in 2012 as the preferred option for a fleet of nine specialised blast-proof VIP vehicles to be used by the Prime Minister and other dignitaries, according to confidential government documents.

The revelation appears to contradict reported Abbott government sources as saying Holden had not even submitted a bid in the tender because the car-maker simply ''was not interested''.

Holden viewed that claim, which appeared in a News Corp newspaper on Wednesday, just hours before the US-owned car maker announced its withdrawal, as part of a deliberate negative backgrounding campaign by Coalition ministers to make Holden look uncommitted to Australia.

The report also cited government sources revealing the multimillion-dollar contract to replace the ageing fleet of Caprices, was about to be filled with ''off-the-shelf BMW High Security 7-Series vehicles'', worth $525,000 each.
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Part of a confidential ministerial brief from the Attorney-General's Department to then Attorney-General Nicola Roxon has been shown to Fairfax Media.

Dated 12-12-12, and headed ''Protected Vehicle Acquisition - an update on progress'', its summary advised Ms Roxon that after a lengthy evaluation process through 2012, a bid by BAE Systems in conjunction with Holden was successful - outpointing several European options.

It said the successful bidder had been chosen from a shortlist of four, which also included two German automotive manufacturers - Audi and Mercedes-Benz - and another Holden joint bid by a company called Integrated Design and Engineering Solutions. BMW, however, was not mentioned and it is understood from the documentation that the Bavaria-based auto giant had not even been shortlisted.

It remains unclear why the Holden-BAE recommendation was not acted on, but a government insider from the time said the then-prime minister Julia Gillard had been concerned about negative publicity if Labor was seen to be spending $7 million of taxpayers' money on limousines in the lead-up to the election. The internal departmental documents from December 2012 raise questions as to how BMW came to be considered given it was not shortlisted and was not the successful bidder.

The opposition, which on Thursday moved unsuccessfully to censure Prime Minister Tony Abbott after he revealed he had not met with Holden in the lead-up to its Wednesday decision, said the claim Holden had not wanted to supply the cars was part of a pattern of behaviour designed to discredit GM Holden because the government believed it was leaving Australia.

''These extraordinary events give every indication the government pursued a vendetta against Holden,'' shadow industry minister Kim Carr said. ''What we have here is a proper tender process being run and won, legitimately, by a BAE-GM Holden consortia. Yet suddenly, in the midst of a concerted backgrounding campaign against Holden by senior government ministers, BMW emerges with a contract.''

That claim had been refuted by a spokeswoman for the Minister for Justice Michael Keenan, who said the tender for the vehicles remained open.

Senator Carr described the assertion Holden was not capable of meeting the standards required as ''patently untrue''.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/claims-holdens-lost-government-vehicle-contract-was-part-of-a-vendetta-20131212-2zabq.html#ixzz2nGyVbyje
Edited by Count du Monet, 13 Dec 2013, 01:58 AM.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!!
You are no longer customer, you are property!!!

Don't be SAUCY with me Bernaisse
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Kulganis
12 Dec 2013, 10:50 AM
Maintenance is a small problem, one that is fixed by having contractors do it for a range of factories and companies, I mean, you don't need maintenance teams on hand all hours of the working day.

Robot design isn't exactly an Australian exclusive, said designers could be sourced overseas.

Parts? Hah, GM is onto that one already, most of the parts that go into making a car are outsourced to china or india, much cheaper labour and not as many taxes.

Machinists? What would you need a machinist for in a factory that stamps out cars on an assembly line? For repairs, I can understand, but most repairs these days are a modular throw out and replace concept.
I know a big company that went down that route. Costs them far more now the first couple of accounting seasons is over (a bit like electricity privitisation)... Also skip on a lot of preventative stuff and leave much to break/fix, also another accounting short cut for the first financial report but more expensive later but still not understood by the bankers and accountants that run the company. Also when private contractors come in (just like in IT projects) they take on some of the previous staff but for reasons of ego and arrogance reinvent the wheel then when that fails 7 times go back somewhat to old ways, often when they contract back the previous workers for a bigger fee.
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Blondie girl
12 Dec 2013, 11:28 PM
The biggest question is what are these unskilled workers gonna do next ??? You gotta remember some these people have been in this for many yrs...
That's their problem. If you or I lost our jobs, nobody would express such concern for us. The government should not elevate one group of workers to the status of protected species.
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt — Bertrand Russell
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